Brexit, for once some facts.

[Kudoscycles]

[QUOTE="Kudoscycles, post: 316314, member: 5492"
Who knows what Theresa May morphs into,it looks certain that she will be our new PM,only she will decide what direction Brexit or otherwise will take and when we will go in that direction.
KudosDave

Dave,

The prime minister, whoever it is, can not decide 'Brexit or otherwise' - that decision has already been taken.

You are clinging to the notion Brexit can somehow be undone, but practically that isn't going to happen.

Look at things another way, if he had voted remain and I was on here bleating about advisory referenda and parliament could still take us out, what would you say?

You would probably tell me it's a done deal, old son, best get on with it.[/QUOTE]
Andrea Leadsom quits the PM contest.
RobF....looks like your gal was scared of the dark!
Your only Brexit supporter seems to also have jumped ship,the bad ship Brexit sails off into oblivion with nobody at the helm.
May is unopposed,can she replace Cameron earlier than intended?
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

The bad ship Brexit is finished,there is nobody left to take us out of the EU.
Andrea Leadsom follows Gove,Boris and Farage into the lifeboat.
It means that May doesn't have to be pretend Brexit for too long and we can rid ourselves of this ridiculous Brexit experiment.
The rearguard Brexiters,Evans and Redwood,are wasting their time trying to keep Brexit alive.
Leadsom killed Brexit.
I wonder who is really pulling the strings of the Tory party.
With the coup against Corbyn running in tandem.
Politics is hardly boring at the moment,matters seem to be moving at pace,wonder what is next?
KudosDave

 

[RobF]

Dave,

The prime minister, whoever it is, can not decide 'Brexit or otherwise' - that decision has already been taken.

You are clinging to the notion Brexit can somehow be undone, but practically that isn't going to happen.

Look at things another way, if he had voted remain and I was on here bleating about advisory referenda and parliament could still take us out, what would you say?

You would probably tell me it's a done deal, old son, best get on with it.

Andrea Leadsom quits the PM contest.
RobF....looks like your gal was scared of the dark!
Your only Brexit supporter seems to also have jumped ship,the bad ship Brexit sails off into oblivion with nobody at the helm.
May is unopposed,can she replace Cameron earlier than intended?
KudosDave[/QUOTE]

Dave,

Stop stating baseless opinion as fact.

Leadsom was not my gal.

As I posted earlier, I am not a Conservative Party member so have no say in the leadership and therefore little interest in the contest for it.

 

[trex]

The Pound and the FTSE250 rise on the news.
Boris Johnson now supports May.
Common sense seems to have returned.
Maybe the recession will be over as quickly as it arrived.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

The Pound and the FTSE250 rise on the news.
Boris Johnson now supports May.
Common sense seems to have returned.
Maybe the recession will be over as quickly as it arrived.

possibly, because no one really thinks Brexit will happen.... possibly

 

[trex]

I think May will go for brexit, Norway style. She said before she wanted to have access to the single market and services, with control of EU immigration. This is the so called 'Norway Plus' option.
I think the EU will give her that if the payment to EU coffers is big enough. Merkel should have given that to Cameron if they could rewind the clock.

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

I think May will go for brexit, Norway style. She said before she wanted to have access to the single market and services, with control of EU immigration. This is the so called 'Norway Plus' option.
I think the EU will give her that if the payment to EU coffers is big enough. Merkel should have given that to Cameron if they could rewind the clock.

There is no way, that will work. You can't have the single market without the free movement of products, services and labour. Its simply not a point the EU will even debate, why would they?

 

[trex]

the EU will have to solve the problem of workers migration. It affects all northern EU countries, not just a British problem. It's much better that it makes a deal with the UK on a one off basis like with Liechtenstein. That will leave the Eurozone countries free of British disruption.

 

[BrendanJ]

Dave,

The prime minister, whoever it is, can not decide 'Brexit or otherwise' - that decision has already been taken.

You are clinging to the notion Brexit can somehow be undone, but practically that isn't going to happen.

Look at things another way, if he had voted remain and I was on here bleating about advisory referenda and parliament could still take us out, what would you say?

You would probably tell me it's a done deal, old son, best get on with it.

If history is anything to go by,I don't think any of the referendums pertaining to the EU were ever acted upon by their respective parliaments.
Didn't the Danes have a referendum,that was ignored by their parliament
The Greeks had a referendum,that was ignored by parliament the following week!
The Irish had a referendum that didn't go the way of the EU ,so they renegotiated (gave them more money) and they voted the way the EU wanted the following year.
I think there are others,but not one was ultimately acted upon to the vote of the people,why should our referendum be any different?
This referendum will be soon forgotten,I understand that several of the major Italian banks are about to go bust,thank goodness we are not in the Euro,a new crisis will deflect conversations.
KudosDave[/QUOTE]
I agree with your reading of the possibilities, and really just confirms to me the undemocratic nature of the EU, even if some may say that is not the EU but a stitch up by our own governments, but it's all the same to me
I believe although a remainer May was in that peculiar camp, reluctant remainer, and has indeed on many occasions demonstrated euro sceptic leanings. I was indeed surprised she did not come out on the side of Brexit, but think she was simply positioning herself future political advantage, and distancing herself from Borris and Gove, and in that case she got it exactly right.
I believe she has no problem in now joining the leavers camp, and will be the best option for negotiating our exit, for make no mistake nothing less than out will be acceptable now no matter what some of you diehard deniers think
I am an optimist and hope she will prove to be the only politician and PM with the balls for the fight

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

the EU will have to solve the problem of workers migration. It affects all northern EU countries, not just a British problem. It's much better that it makes a deal with the UK on a one off basis like with Liechtenstein. That will leave the Eurozone countries free of British disruption.

The problem is that its seen as a problem... the migration itself isn't a problem. Its proven to benefit the economies of the host nations. We need to educate the population about the benefits. If you get people to forget their national borders, they'll think of people from france just like they do people from wales, or yorkshire, or the next village. We're all migrants! I'm from Cheltenham and I now live in Yorkshire. Have a stolen a job from the local?

 

[LeighPing]

I'm from Cheltenham and I now live in Yorkshire. Have a stolen a job from the local?

I dunno. But you've certainly picked up t'lingo.

 

[trex]

The problem is that its seen as a problem... the migration itself isn't a problem. Its proven to benefit the economies of the host nations. We need to educate the population about the benefits. If you get people to forget their national borders, they'll think of people from france just like they do people from wales, or yorkshire, or the next village. We're all migrants! I'm from Cheltenham and I now live in Yorkshire. Have a stolen a job from the local?

I agree that migration is for the profit of the host countries but May's job is to get us out of the EU with the mimimum damage to our economy. Getting us back in is the job for another PM.
I am for one world but don't think it's going to happen in my lifetime.

 

[LeighPing]

I've nothing against multi-culturalism. However, years ago, my eldest daughter, aged 4 at the time, came home with a 'Bindi' on her forehead (a red dot).

The next day her Hindu teacher asked me what I thought of it. Being a Taffy, I said "Great. Can you tell me when Saint David's day is?"

She didn't have a clue.

 

[oldgroaner]

Hypocrit....tto the extreme. Nobody but nobody has made more sarcastic comments than you OG. You,re a master at it...
KTM, Kudos Dave and even Derf have attempted to see point from remainers side. Personally think you,ve ruined atmosphere on this thread, nearly every argument/ insult can be traced back to your blinkered , self righteous sarcasm.

Well now, a gratuitous personal attack.
Normally I don't bother to respond as it's too much effort, but I'm in a good mood, so I'll indulge you.
Blinkered, self righteous sarcasm? Well you should know, who else has been as consistent in that regard?
let me add another of your many virtues, Pomposity, in imagining yourself not to have and exhibit the very traits you deplore.
"Personally think" eh, good idea, why not take your own advice and do some?
You simply cannot hide the fact that if someone regards your opinion as wrong,
and dares to say so, it offends you.And once again you resort to personal attacks.
We are all involved in a debate, not a battle, if it's too intense for you, why get involved?

 

[oldgroaner]

BBC: Leadsom is to quit the PM race in a moment.
She is the last tory brexit leader to leave the ship.

I wouldn't be too sure about that!

 

[derf]

I wouldn't be too sure about that!

in a normal world, I'd positively hate May as prime minster (look at her home office record), in a post brexit world she's just fine, absolutely fine, but I agree with the caveat of actually seeing her true colours

 

[oldgroaner]

in a normal world, I'd positively hate May as prime minster (look at her home office record), in a post brexit world she's just fine, absolutely fine, but I agree with the caveat of actually seeing her true colours

On the BBC webpage there was a sub heading that said
May wants to serve working people.
Which prompted me to wonder
Whether that would be with a salad Garnish, Curried Rice or Chips?
But of course she means with a new Zero Hours contract doesn't she?

And some pretty far left thinking of what are really Workers Soviets and putting them in the boardroom
I give that the biggest lie award of the whole Brexit shambles so far!

 

[derf]

The Pound and the FTSE250 rise on the news.
Boris Johnson now supports May.
Common sense seems to have returned.
Maybe the recession will be over as quickly as it arrived.

the expedient part of me thinks that's fine, there is another part that wants to kick Boris' head in.

 

[BrendanJ]

All in all I think May is the best choice for the country and Brexit. She will get the job done and will provide the stability we now need
Meanwhile of course the Labour Party have descended into farce. Did they really think they are ready for a snap Ellection at this point in time, ludicrous and further more destabilising so shows how out of touch they are.
Like children in a play room, someone give um an iPad to keep the, quiet

 

[tillson]

in a normal world, I'd positively hate May as prime minster (look at her home office record), in a post brexit world she's just fine, absolutely fine, but I agree with the caveat of actually seeing her true colours

You are right to hate her, she despises the working classes. I have a few friends in the police force, they dislike her for obvious reasons to do with police reform. Setting aside whether reform is right or wrong for a moment, she is trying to dismantle the independent police pay negotiating board. This is a body independent of the home office and the police who recommend pay and conditions. This has to exist because the police have no right to take industrial action or belong to a union. She has indicated in the past that she will ignore its advice.

May has also threatened to confiscate cash assets of The Police Federation unless they back off her. This is money paid by its members to fund representation of their views. Any personal views on the police are irrelevant, I am just illustrating where this woman is coming from in terms of workers rights. She has no regard for them whatsoever.