there is a verbatim audio recording of the entire interview online (ive listened to it). i bet teh journalist was relieved for that. there is a difference between suggesting an intecrview was slanted, and saying an interveiwer deliberately put words in ones mouth and minsinterpreted what one said. leadsome made a formal complaint to teh tiems about teh interview/journalist's behaviour. all of thsi is very different form eevryday rough and tumble of politics/journalism. if you are really dead set on appointing another teflon tony that will bend evidence and lie to the public on every expedient whim, or self interested occasion that presents itself, be my guest: support leadsom.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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You are entitled to your opinion, but as a matter of fact I am not dead set on supporting anyone.
I would have made the same remarks if the interview was with Farage, Corbyn, Johnson, May or any other politician you care to name.
fair enough, what i really meant to say was that if nothing else tony blair's legacy is that personal integrity - within the broad sad limits as descirebd by OG in previous post - matters, greatly, in politicians. Aside from teh fact that all of thsi could have gotten very ugly for the journalist indeed. And that that didnt bother Leadsom, at all.
I don't understand why you are maintaining this position Rob. The recording was put into the public arena and I've listened to it.
That Leadsome defamed the reporter is a fact.
That it was far beyond any normal political lie to defame an innocent person doing their job is also obvious.
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All Leadsom did was moan to the reporter's editor that the reporter had done a poor job.
That doesn't amount to defamation, although I agree it isn't the nicest thing to do, in the same way that making an unjustified complaint to anyone's boss is very poor behaviour.
For what it's worth, I think what we are seeing here is Leadsom's inexperience in dealing with a high-profile media situation - going for party leadership/prime minister.
Mention has also been made of her inexperience in what we might call top-level politics.
That may well be something those tasked with choosing the next Conservative Party leader would be wise to consider.
I'm not a Conservative Party member so have no say in that, which is another reason why I cant get too vexed about any of it.
That was not all she did though. Having been criticised by colleagues for what she said, she constructed a completely false account of how the reporter had led her into talking about her children and encouraged her into a trap. Then to emphasise that she made a formal complaint to the newspaper.
That goes far beyond inexperience.
She would have been excused if she'd adopted the usual ploy of just saying she'd been misrepresented. Instead she showed a seriously flawed character, someone who is prepared to stoop to any level, however low.
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rightly or wrongly, i see it this way. in my line of work there are formal complaints every so often (we work with patients with complex difficulties). If someone makes an unjustified complaint to my boss about something run of the mill (perhaps they didnt feel adequately cared for, or waited too long for treatment, or felt misinformed about treatment) that's fine, and run of th emill. And once it's all been worked through (ie everyoien had their say and internally took responsibility for whatever they have or havent done, and whatever shoudl or shoudlnt be done is done right) we can all move on. However, if soeone accuses me of clinical malpractice, in a national newspaper, as leadsom did - by analogy - in questioning teh journalist's professional integrity, with very damaging possible consequences to her (the journalist), i woudl sue her cotton picking socks off for defamation (having damaged my professional reputation). doing thsi is to me a world apart from complaining to my boss only. For one thing its in a very public - defamatory, professionally damaging - domain.
It was interesting that a group of Tory Party members when asked how they would vote May v Leadsom included an ardent Brexit who obviously voted Leadsom,some young Tories who voted May.
But there was a couple,the man voted Leave in the referendum,the lady voted Remain but now both intended to vote for May,the man explaining that he felt that May was the only candidate to unite the party and he didn't want the Tories to make the same mistake as Labour where the Party is in direct opposition to the MPs over Corbyn.
This lot will make a blockbuster film one day and it will be analysed at length in school history books,I find it all very interesting,politics are not currently boring.
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But there was a couple,the man voted Leave in the referendum,the lady voted Remain but now both intended to vote for May,the man explaining that he felt that May was the only candidate to unite the party and he didn't want the Tories to make the same mistake as Labour where the Party is in direct opposition to the MPs over Corbyn.
This lot will make a blockbuster film one day and it will be analysed at length in school history books,I find it all very interesting,politics are not currently boring.
KudosDave
The journalist has no chance of successfully suing for reputational damage for many reasons.
The most convincing one is that far from being damaged, the journalist's reputation has, if anything, been enhanced by Leadsom's actions.
Those actions have shown the journalist to be competent and professional, which is something that may have been assumed previously, but it's now been very publicly demonstrated.
Perhaps - i'm not a laywer, but practically i can see that her repuation has been if anything enhanced. But that's no thansk to leadsom - who tried to destroy it to cover her tracks. for me it's about teh way leadsom was prepared to do anything - defame; blatantly lie, reconstruct events - to promote herself. To me this is pretty damning. if i behaved like this - say about a patient - changing a clincial record to hide the fact that i lied, or di dsomething improper, for example - i'd sincerely risk being struck off my professional register (and would probably deserve it).
This is exactly my position in this. I'm not concerned for the journalist who has more than adequately defended herself. My concern has been to publicise the disgraceful behaviour of Leadsome, since, as this thread shows, many are unaware of it.
I never want someone like her to hold high office in any field, and certainly not as Prime Minister of the UK.
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So,that is your posting full of facts?
i would value some reasoned arguments against my postings but an unqualified rant that degenerates to bad language does nothing to support the case of Brexit.
You have supported my view that vote Leave was often based upon emotional reactions and a protest vote against the establishment and immigration rather than believing that leaving the EU would benefit the UK in the longer term, I dont think many of vote Leave had a clue what they were voting for....did you vote for cuddly Boris,350 million per week saved,giving more to the NHS,reducing EU migrants.....all those claims made by the Leave campaign have already proved not workable,If I voted Leave I would feel I have been conned after the referendum,all those who should be pushing forward with their promises,Boris,Farage,Gove have jumped off the sinking ship.
Am I a nutter,bonkers and extremist just because I don't share your love of Brexit
From my viewpoint,at the moment we have committed political vandalism verging on stupidity,I have yet to see any advantage of Brexit.
As Ian Heslop stated just because a decision has been made it doesn't mean that we should stop campaigning against it,if we don't agree with it,that is true democracy.
It may make Brexiters angry but you have to get Article 50 through parliament to make Brexit happen....most thought that the referendum vote was a done deal but we weren't told before the vote that parliament could choose to ignore it,that is a fact!
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I do like your style
"You are an extremist and just like most of those nutters have somewere departed from reason, just now its how far will you go
Absolute bonkers"
And that was after maybe learn something from each other?
perhaps, but it wont be how to be good at anger management will it?
I like you really especially how rational you can be when roused.
Shades of the Pirates Code as usual
Referendum?
What Referendum!
But its the will of the people?
Will of the people? was advisory anyway not legally binding and the chap who said that has gone!
Will of the people indeed ? since when did we care about that?
We're Pirates (whoops sorry about that A reporter has misquoted me!)
Polticians aren't we?
Style of thing you mean?
It could be a cartoon, a sort of revamp of the magic roundabout with Farage taking the part of Zebedee, Gove as Dylan the rabbit , well i'm sure you can flesh out the rest of the cast there are a great number of puppets in that party, and of Course guess who's hand is pulling the strings?
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The governments of the United Kingdom’s constituent countries should be fully devolved and the UK reconstituted as a voluntary union more akin to the EU, a group of constitutional experts are to argue.
The Constitution Reform Group, an all-party project that seeks to reform the UK, will this week set out plans for each country to become fully sovereign and take charge of its own affairs"
Until we get down to small tribes again? why not go back to being Hunter Gatherers?
So the answer to Brexit is to be a mini EU?
ROFLMAO
The governments of the United Kingdom’s constituent countries should be fully devolved and the UK reconstituted as a voluntary union more akin to the EU, a group of constitutional experts are to argue.
The Constitution Reform Group, an all-party project that seeks to reform the UK, will this week set out plans for each country to become fully sovereign and take charge of its own affairs"
Until we get down to small tribes again? why not go back to being Hunter Gatherers?
So the answer to Brexit is to be a mini EU?
ROFLMAO
Holy crap. Just had an email from 50 Cycles. The BREXIT vote means their prices are going up and I need to buy a Kalkhoff now in order to beat BREXIT!
Oh no, it's happening. All the doom predicted is coming true.
Oh no, it's happening. All the doom predicted is coming true.
Hopefully the increase will price out some buyers and save them from buying an unreliable ebike.
Does that mean the goodness has started to flow, even before general leadsom has taken charge?
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Youll just have to get used to being sick then. Democracy allows people to never "get over it". We will always be here just reminding the government we exist and they must ensure no one is left behind. People may well have benefitted but it was not wee Jimmy in glasgow who eats one meal a day, is the height of a seven year old but is aged 14. The people who benefitted drive Ferraris to work.
So far all I've seen is my opportunities reeled in, tours cancelled, and some nervous producers that had future funding arranged, having meetings to ensure projects and exchanges can still go ahead. My brother in law had leave cancelled and spent a lot of time advising imminent retirees that they had to take their annuity NOW or they'd be missing out when the funds were suspended.
My uncle in Spain has seen his tiny pension income drop even before the vote just with the uncertainty.
I reckon it will all end up pretty similar but with more red tape in the way and disadvantage to ourselves. Lloyds for example. instead of one passport to underwrite insurance across the EU they will have to arrange 28 new ones. that takes up time and expense and makes them less competitive.
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So far all I've seen is my opportunities reeled in, tours cancelled, and some nervous producers that had future funding arranged, having meetings to ensure projects and exchanges can still go ahead. My brother in law had leave cancelled and spent a lot of time advising imminent retirees that they had to take their annuity NOW or they'd be missing out when the funds were suspended.
My uncle in Spain has seen his tiny pension income drop even before the vote just with the uncertainty.
I reckon it will all end up pretty similar but with more red tape in the way and disadvantage to ourselves. Lloyds for example. instead of one passport to underwrite insurance across the EU they will have to arrange 28 new ones. that takes up time and expense and makes them less competitive.
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