Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldtom]

The right-wing extremists currently forcing the nation into exiting the EU, regardless of the deal we may or may not get and despite having no plans for life thereafter, are shown up for what they are by George Monbiot in this video clip:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1516679525084372

There is no other way to interpret what is going on. The tory party and the scum who see fit to vote for them have damaged the UK more than Hitler managed and they are not finished yet.

Tom

 

[oldtom]

In tory circles, these MPs are called rebels:



Tom

 

[Danidl]

The right-wing extremists currently forcing the nation into exiting the EU, regardless of the deal we may or may not get and despite having no plans for life thereafter, are shown up for what they are by George Monbiot in this video clip:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1516679525084372

There is no other way to interpret what is going on. The tory party and the scum who see fit to vote for them have damaged the UK more than Hitler managed and they are not finished yet.

Tom

He presents a very strong logically generated case which invites a response so come on then.. those who believe that the" elite" is doing a good job, now is a good time to respond.

 

[Zlatan]

The right-wing extremists currently forcing the nation into exiting the EU, regardless of the deal we may or may not get and despite having no plans for life thereafter, are shown up for what they are by George Monbiot in this video clip:

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1516679525084372

There is no other way to interpret what is going on. The tory party and the scum who see fit to vote for them have damaged the UK more than Hitler managed and they are not finished yet.

Tom

I,m assuming that's the same George Monbiot who lives off his rental of inherited properties. ( his book sales wouldn't support him) and the same one who had a completely private education paid for by his two CONSERVATIVE mp parents...
Perhaps not but I suspect its the same one..
Its bordering on childish Tom...at best amateurish propoganda..you,ve bought into it. Tory spin doctors will be quaking when they watch that..and you wonder why Labour have not had power much in last 50 years. Watching that video , even if you agree with points it makes, says don't vote labour. Its not Blue Planet and David Attenborough is it...
They portray all the tories as bumbling idiots but produce a video made by worse. If I were you I,d stop spreading it around.
Monbiot is hardly any better than Bono and company or the last champagne socialist you promoted.

 

[PeterL]

I,m assuming that's the same George Monbiot who lives off his rental of inherited properties. ( his book sales wouldn't support him) and the same one who had a completely private education paid for by his two CONSERVATIVE mp parents...
Perhaps not but I suspect its the same one..
Its bordering on childish Tom...at best amateurish propoganda..you,ve bought into it. Tory spin doctors will be quaking when they watch that..and you wonder why Labour have not had power much in last 50 years. Watching that video , even if you agree with points it makes, says don't vote labour. Its not Blue Planet and David Attenborough is it...
They portray all the tories as bumbling idiots but produce a video made by worse. If I were you I,d stop spreading it around.
Monbiot is hardly any better than Bono and company or the last champagne socialist you promoted.

You're absolutely correct there Zlatan, the man is an out and out idiot, albeit obviously an intelligent one, born of scum in the opinion of the man who introduced him to us on here. Perhaps a 'Born again Christian' but he seems to have travelled the World getting into no end of trouble. Never had a 'real' job, or needed one it seems.

 

[oldgroaner]

Be fair now Tom. We (another one for OG) would expect the Poets to vote for such - they/ you are all Turkeys of course. It was clever though - give you that.

That's rich, a Brexiter calling people Turkeys!

 

[oldgroaner]

You're absolutely correct there Zlatan, the man is an out and out idiot, albeit obviously an intelligent one, born of scum in the opinion of the man who introduced him to us on here. Perhaps a 'Born again Christian' but he seems to have travelled the World getting into no end of trouble. Never had a 'real' job, or needed one it seems.

A perfect description of your Hero Boris he had a "real" job but didn't really work at it did he?

 

[oldgroaner]

He presents a very strong logically generated case which invites a response so come on then.. those who believe that the" elite" is doing a good job, now is a good time to respond.

Surely not even our local Brexit fans would be stupid enough to come out with such a Porky as that!

 

[Zlatan]

You're absolutely correct there Zlatan, the man is an out and out idiot, albeit obviously an intelligent one, born of scum in the opinion of the man who introduced him to us on here. Perhaps a 'Born again Christian' but he seems to have travelled the World getting into no end of trouble. Never had a 'real' job, or needed one it seems.

He labelled some tory a paedophile who turned out to be one of his dad's mates, took him to court and proved Monbiot had made entire episode up ...cost him £25k in damages..
Tried reading one of his books, was worse than his video...
Its just so ironic Tom screams propoganda all time and peddles it more than anybody.

 

[Zlatan]

A perfect description of your Hero Boris he had a "real" job but didn't really work at it did he?

He,s doing more than Monbiot...

 

[oldgroaner]

I,m assuming that's the same George Monbiot who lives off his rental of inherited properties. ( his book sales wouldn't support him) and the same one who had a completely private education paid for by his two CONSERVATIVE mp parents...
Perhaps not but I suspect its the same one..
Its bordering on childish Tom...at best amateurish propoganda..you,ve bought into it. Tory spin doctors will be quaking when they watch that..and you wonder why Labour have not had power much in last 50 years. Watching that video , even if you agree with points it makes, says don't vote labour. Its not Blue Planet and David Attenborough is it...
They portray all the tories as bumbling idiots but produce a video made by worse. If I were you I,d stop spreading it around.
Monbiot is hardly any better than Bono and company or the last champagne socialist you promoted.

What had all that tripe you offered to do with the point he was making?
more ranting off topic attacks on the messenger.
Standard Tory reaction.

 

[oldgroaner]

He labelled some tory a paedophile who turned out to be one of his dad's mates, took him to court and proved Monbiot had made entire episode up ...cost him £25k in damages..
Tried reading one of his books, was worse than his video...
Its just so ironic Tom screams propoganda all time and peddles it more than anybody.

Is your pet Hobby indulging in the very thing you criticise others for doing?
You've gone completely over the top attacking this man because he says things you don't agree with.
If he was pro Brexit you would laud him to the skies wouldn't you?

 

[oldgroaner]

He,s doing more than Monbiot...

Like buying Dud water cannon when Mayor of London and ruining the Countries reputation abroad now?
Exactly what is Boris doing that is other than counter productive and dangerous too?
What is the matter with you right wingers, have you lost touch with reality altogether?

 

[Zlatan]

Come on OG be fair. The video Monbiot gave us was an affront..it was appalling and its message childish, its,as tho it was targeted at imbeciles..and as usual such as Monbiot offer nothing as an alternative. Just attack the establishment with nothing to offer in its place..same with Bono and all these wealthy socialists...Billy Bragg was last one Tom.put forward..its unbelievable.
You see all the hypocrisy in Boris , May and Tories but just ignore it in these fools..they are worse. They aren't doing anything.
And you are wrong. I have never put forward any of them as heroes or champions...I,d be first to point out these people are hypocrites if they were pushing Brexit or not.. Think same about Geldoff and Branson. Make their fortunes out of us then catch socialism and start lecturing as though they are actually worth listening to. This one cant even do anything...at least Branson and Geldoff are good at something.

 

[Zlatan]

Like buying Dud water cannon when Mayor of London and ruining the Countries reputation abroad now?
Exactly what is Boris doing that is other than counter productive and dangerous too?
What is the matter with you right wingers, have you lost touch with reality altogether?

Only right wing I ever played was attacking a left full back. Just because I think Corbyn could not run country does not make me a right winger..perhaps a right whinger..but not right winger.
And when did I sing praises of Boris ? Never done that, and you know it. The bloke should learn to put his brain in gear before engaging his mouth...but that's quite common OG..I don't think anyone on here has praised any of them. You and Tom seem big into hero worship....likes of Billy Brag and Mobiot...not I melud...

 

[oldgroaner]

Come on OG be fair. The video Monbiot gave us was an affront..it was appalling and its message childish, its,as tho it was targeted at imbeciles..and as usual such as Monbiot offer nothing as an alternative. Just attack the establishment with nothing to offer in its place..same with Bono and all these wealthy socialists...Billy Bragg was last one Tom.put forward..its unbelievable.
You see all the hypocrisy in Boris , May and Tories but just ignore it in these fools..they are worse. They aren't doing anything.

The message was childishly presented accept that
Unfortunately it contained far too much truth to be ignored and rubbished as you are doing.
How can a single person be expected to offer something as a alternative against the attitude that you and others have of utter rejection of anything suggested.
propotional representation
Coalition Government
Socialism
All rejected by you and others of the Right wing as they don't want their monopoly of power and hence wealth disturbed do they?
Change will come
Keep a suitcase packed.

 

[oldgroaner]

Come on OG be fair. The video Monbiot gave us was an affront..it was appalling and its message childish, its,as tho it was targeted at imbeciles..and as usual such as Monbiot offer nothing as an alternative. Just attack the establishment with nothing to offer in its place..same with Bono and all these wealthy socialists...Billy Bragg was last one Tom.put forward..its unbelievable.
You see all the hypocrisy in Boris , May and Tories but just ignore it in these fools..they are worse. They aren't doing anything.
And you are wrong. I have never put forward any of them as heroes or champions...I,d be first to point out these people are hypocrites if they were pushing Brexit or not.. Think same about Geldoff and Branson. Make their fortunes out of us then catch socialism and start lecturing as though they are actually worth listening to. This one cant even do anything...at least Branson and Geldoff are good at something.

Apart from attacking them, what are you doing?

 

[oldgroaner]

Only right wing I ever played was attacking a left full back. Just because I think Corbyn could not run country does not make me a right winger..perhaps a right whinger..but not right winger.

I dont rate Corbyn either but he can't be much worse that the present shower can he? and you believe in their policies don;t you?
Then you are unaware of what and who you are, you are not and never will be a socialist.

 

[PeterL]

Is your pet Hobby indulging in the very thing you criticise others for doing?
You've gone completely over the top attacking this man because he says things you don't agree with.
If he was pro Brexit you would laud him to the skies wouldn't you?

This is silly stuff OG. Those of us pro-Brexit are from being as blinkered as you suggest and will argue valid points from both sides. I've not heard blanket acceptance of all that is Brexit on here but you can't say that for the remainers can you? Nothing is perfect in this life, we all need to make choices and I stand by mine.

 

[oldtom]

Clearly, the imbecilic 'Brexidiots' who insist on spouting their fascist bile in their efforts to discredit the anti-'Brexit' lobby are beyond redemption.

History informs us how fascists behave and the godless scum bereft of empathy for their fellow man are acting true to type in this thread.

Tom