Before Food Banks we had Workhouses, both ideas that should have no place in this day and age.
We don't elect Governments to oversee poverty.
The people voted for Brexit thinking it would improve things, and just HOW is it going to do that?
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We don't elect Governments to oversee poverty.
The people voted for Brexit thinking it would improve things, and just HOW is it going to do that?
Why are opposition MPs and the public at large not demanding to see the results of this exercise?
'Open Britain' sees it like this:
Awkward... the Tories have published a list of 58 sectors where they have carried out an assessment of the impact of Brexit but are not prepared to publish the actual assessments. If the Brexit assessments showed a positive impact on the UK, then publishing them would only STRENGTHEN our negotiating position.
These 58 sectors supposedly account for 88% of the economy, they are:
1. Advertising and marketing2. Aerospace3. Agriculture, Animal Health and Food and Drink manufacturing4. Architecture5. Asset Management6. Audit and accounting7. Automotive8. Aviation9. Broadcasting10.Bus and coach transport11.Business services12.Catering: retail and wholesale13.Chemicals14.Construction and Engineering15.Consumer Goods16.Crafts17.Defence18.Design: product, graphic, and fashion design19.Electricity market, incl. renewables20.Electronics21.Environmental Services: waste22.Environmental Services: water23.Film, TV, video, radio and photography24.Fintech25.Fisheries26.Gambling27.Gas market28.Higher Education29.Insurance and pensions30. IT, software, and computer services (incl. video games)31.Legal Services32.Life Sciences33.Machinery and equipment34.Maritime/ports including marine equipment35.Market infrastructure (financial services)36.Medical devices37.Medical services and social care38.Museums, galleries, and libraries39.Music, performing and visual arts40.Nuclear41.Oil and fossil fuel production (including gas)42.Payment services and systems43.Pharmaceuticals44.Post45.Professional services46.Publishing47.Rail including manufacturing48.Real Estate49.Retail50.Retail and corporate banking51.Road haulage and logistics52.Space53.Steel and other metals/commodities54.Technology (ICT)55.Telecommunications56.Textiles and Clothing57.Tourism58.Wholesale markets and investment banking
http://www.parliament.uk/…/Response-brexit-trade-in-goods.p…
Tom
'Open Britain' sees it like this:
Awkward... the Tories have published a list of 58 sectors where they have carried out an assessment of the impact of Brexit but are not prepared to publish the actual assessments. If the Brexit assessments showed a positive impact on the UK, then publishing them would only STRENGTHEN our negotiating position.
These 58 sectors supposedly account for 88% of the economy, they are:
1. Advertising and marketing2. Aerospace3. Agriculture, Animal Health and Food and Drink manufacturing4. Architecture5. Asset Management6. Audit and accounting7. Automotive8. Aviation9. Broadcasting10.Bus and coach transport11.Business services12.Catering: retail and wholesale13.Chemicals14.Construction and Engineering15.Consumer Goods16.Crafts17.Defence18.Design: product, graphic, and fashion design19.Electricity market, incl. renewables20.Electronics21.Environmental Services: waste22.Environmental Services: water23.Film, TV, video, radio and photography24.Fintech25.Fisheries26.Gambling27.Gas market28.Higher Education29.Insurance and pensions30. IT, software, and computer services (incl. video games)31.Legal Services32.Life Sciences33.Machinery and equipment34.Maritime/ports including marine equipment35.Market infrastructure (financial services)36.Medical devices37.Medical services and social care38.Museums, galleries, and libraries39.Music, performing and visual arts40.Nuclear41.Oil and fossil fuel production (including gas)42.Payment services and systems43.Pharmaceuticals44.Post45.Professional services46.Publishing47.Rail including manufacturing48.Real Estate49.Retail50.Retail and corporate banking51.Road haulage and logistics52.Space53.Steel and other metals/commodities54.Technology (ICT)55.Telecommunications56.Textiles and Clothing57.Tourism58.Wholesale markets and investment banking
http://www.parliament.uk/…/Response-brexit-trade-in-goods.p…
Tom
Here is the fundamental error. Poverty, deprivation and the plight of the poor is essentially, and should be, the problem of the local government to solve, albeit with some assistance from National government. We, or at least I, don't elect governments to micro-manage.
At least you can't accuse 'them' of not preparing. Would be rather stupid to release such information to the public domain. It's only a series of what-if's which will give the negotiating team the information they need to conduct talks. It won't all be bad news, far from it.
How the UK can lead a fourth industrial revolution
Today we’re announcing the findings of the business-led industrial digitalisation review, which has been branded as “Made Smarter UK”. It’s the product of eight months of work, led by a team of UK CEOs from businesses large and small.
We have taken contributions from over 200 organisations including our world-leading universities, the CBI, Royal Academy of Engineering and our British R&D catapult centres. Its findings have been submitted to the Business Secretary and we want the review to become the starting point of a new partnership between industry and government. This should set out the basis for how the UK can lead a fourth industrial revolution.
But why is this important, and why now? Firstly, we are at a critical juncture in politics and business. Brexit dominates the agenda. The prospect of rising interest rates and inflation haunts consumers. Inward investment is becoming increasingly difficult. Short-term challenges threaten to derail how the UK plans for the long term, and invests in the technologies that will help industry and specifically manufacturing thrive over the next two decades. We desperately need to have a long-term economic vision for the country – regardless of Brexit, regardless of political instability.
Our review into digitalisation tries to address this need for a UK technology vision. We have concluded that the Government’s industrial strategy will need a red thread of digital running through its core. It will not be about reviving long gone industries but rather it will be about building the new ones, in AI, virtual reality, big data, machine learning, simulation platforms. This will form a new vibrant and growing “creation sector”; delivering digital tech, software, algorithms, digital media, games and many agile digital factories.
Our proposals focus on how the UK can use these technologies and strengths to improve productivity, wages and the number of jobs in the economy. Industrial digitalisation could boost UK manufacturing by £455bn, increasing sector growth up to 3pc per year; creating a net gain of 175,000 jobs whilst reducing CO2 emissions by 4.5pc. And we think there could be a huge growth in new jobs and businesses specialising in the new digital technologies of the future. Put simply, the opportunity is huge, and that is why countries across the globe are racing to invest in this new industrial revolution.
The UK however is being held back by a history of chronic under-investment in innovation and skills so we have identified a series of strategic challenges government and industry must overcome. The challenges include the need to increase the speed of adoption of industrial digital technologies, faster innovation of these same technologies, combined with stronger and more ambitious leadership to transform industry.
For adoption we need a stronger national digital ecosystem. Government and industry should create a significantly more visible and effective ecosystem that will accelerate the innovation and diffusion of industrial digital technologies into manufacturing.
We are proposing a National Adoption Programme piloted in the North West, which has inherent technology strengths. Additionally we think we need to be up-skilling one million workers to enable digital technologies to be deployed and successfully exploited through a Single Industrial Digitalisation Skills Strategy. To innovate the UK must re-focus the existing innovation landscape by increasing capacity and capability through 12 new Digital Innovation Hubs, eight large-scale demonstrators and five digital research centres, focused on developing technologies as part of a new National Innovation Programme.
To strengthen leadership, business has called for the creation of a national body, the Made Smarter UK (MSUK) Commission, comprising industry, government, academia, FE and leading research and innovation organisations, responsible for developing the UK as a leader in industrial digitalisation technologies (IDT) and skills. Industry is committed to working in partnership with government to revive UK manufacturing, and firmly believes that only this combined package of measures, that goes beyond business as usual and historical offerings, will achieve the level of ambition needed for the country to be a world leader of the fourth industrial revolution.
Britain made its way in the world by being at the forefront of the first industrial revolution in the 19th century. It capitalised on the second by leading in methods of mass production in the early 20th century. Somehow in the Seventies we lost our way and missed out on the revolution of automation that countries like Germany embraced.
Now is the time to leap ahead and fully immerse the UK in digital – that way we won’t miss this fourth industrial revolution and be waiting with baited breath for a fifth. It’s down to today’s innovators and business leaders to get involved; to work in partnership with the public sector to ensure more longer-term thinking, and make sure all businesses invest and innovate to create a digitally-led industrial Britain. My call to action to government and the business community is to come together to embrace these proposals. Focusing on the long-term challenge of embracing this new industrial revolution is vital if Britain is to succeed economically.
Juergen Maier is the CEO of Siemens UK and Ireland
This how to reduce poverty. Ironic that it is a German here in UK with the answer but Siemens are here to stay post Brexit. The UK is, and has long been, a major source of both research and profit for them - nothing wrong with that OG.
Today we’re announcing the findings of the business-led industrial digitalisation review, which has been branded as “Made Smarter UK”. It’s the product of eight months of work, led by a team of UK CEOs from businesses large and small.
We have taken contributions from over 200 organisations including our world-leading universities, the CBI, Royal Academy of Engineering and our British R&D catapult centres. Its findings have been submitted to the Business Secretary and we want the review to become the starting point of a new partnership between industry and government. This should set out the basis for how the UK can lead a fourth industrial revolution.
But why is this important, and why now? Firstly, we are at a critical juncture in politics and business. Brexit dominates the agenda. The prospect of rising interest rates and inflation haunts consumers. Inward investment is becoming increasingly difficult. Short-term challenges threaten to derail how the UK plans for the long term, and invests in the technologies that will help industry and specifically manufacturing thrive over the next two decades. We desperately need to have a long-term economic vision for the country – regardless of Brexit, regardless of political instability.
Our review into digitalisation tries to address this need for a UK technology vision. We have concluded that the Government’s industrial strategy will need a red thread of digital running through its core. It will not be about reviving long gone industries but rather it will be about building the new ones, in AI, virtual reality, big data, machine learning, simulation platforms. This will form a new vibrant and growing “creation sector”; delivering digital tech, software, algorithms, digital media, games and many agile digital factories.
Our proposals focus on how the UK can use these technologies and strengths to improve productivity, wages and the number of jobs in the economy. Industrial digitalisation could boost UK manufacturing by £455bn, increasing sector growth up to 3pc per year; creating a net gain of 175,000 jobs whilst reducing CO2 emissions by 4.5pc. And we think there could be a huge growth in new jobs and businesses specialising in the new digital technologies of the future. Put simply, the opportunity is huge, and that is why countries across the globe are racing to invest in this new industrial revolution.
The UK however is being held back by a history of chronic under-investment in innovation and skills so we have identified a series of strategic challenges government and industry must overcome. The challenges include the need to increase the speed of adoption of industrial digital technologies, faster innovation of these same technologies, combined with stronger and more ambitious leadership to transform industry.
For adoption we need a stronger national digital ecosystem. Government and industry should create a significantly more visible and effective ecosystem that will accelerate the innovation and diffusion of industrial digital technologies into manufacturing.
We are proposing a National Adoption Programme piloted in the North West, which has inherent technology strengths. Additionally we think we need to be up-skilling one million workers to enable digital technologies to be deployed and successfully exploited through a Single Industrial Digitalisation Skills Strategy. To innovate the UK must re-focus the existing innovation landscape by increasing capacity and capability through 12 new Digital Innovation Hubs, eight large-scale demonstrators and five digital research centres, focused on developing technologies as part of a new National Innovation Programme.
To strengthen leadership, business has called for the creation of a national body, the Made Smarter UK (MSUK) Commission, comprising industry, government, academia, FE and leading research and innovation organisations, responsible for developing the UK as a leader in industrial digitalisation technologies (IDT) and skills. Industry is committed to working in partnership with government to revive UK manufacturing, and firmly believes that only this combined package of measures, that goes beyond business as usual and historical offerings, will achieve the level of ambition needed for the country to be a world leader of the fourth industrial revolution.
Britain made its way in the world by being at the forefront of the first industrial revolution in the 19th century. It capitalised on the second by leading in methods of mass production in the early 20th century. Somehow in the Seventies we lost our way and missed out on the revolution of automation that countries like Germany embraced.
Now is the time to leap ahead and fully immerse the UK in digital – that way we won’t miss this fourth industrial revolution and be waiting with baited breath for a fifth. It’s down to today’s innovators and business leaders to get involved; to work in partnership with the public sector to ensure more longer-term thinking, and make sure all businesses invest and innovate to create a digitally-led industrial Britain. My call to action to government and the business community is to come together to embrace these proposals. Focusing on the long-term challenge of embracing this new industrial revolution is vital if Britain is to succeed economically.
Juergen Maier is the CEO of Siemens UK and Ireland
This how to reduce poverty. Ironic that it is a German here in UK with the answer but Siemens are here to stay post Brexit. The UK is, and has long been, a major source of both research and profit for them - nothing wrong with that OG.
Is that an explanation of why the study findings cannot be in the public domain.........or are you simply trying (and failing) to defend the indefensible?
Tom
This is the reality of tories wielding power:
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Completely agree with this, but the current government and its immediate predecessor haven't even been attempting most of it The evil of inherited wealth they protect.
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Yes, we do. Our government collects taxes and organizes public services, including efforts to relieve poverty.
that's because too many of taxpayers are not willing to share more. We have about the lowest personal tax take in the top 10 countries.
It starts with parents who hand over more and more of their parental responsibilities to the state and ends with an ever increasing tax free ceiling of IHT.
We've been here before of course, even in my short term on the Forum. In many ways inherited wealth has been sorted with very few individuals having the wealth you want to get your hands on. It tends to find its way in to Trusts and companies and that is perfectly fair - as long as whatever vehicle pays any and all taxes due in this country. The US is way ahead of us here in this respect, but we're catching up.
But of course this is impossible while national government insist on total control and management of local government by controlling the purse strings and tightly ruling on what local government can do. Local government needs to be able to conduct most of it's own taxation and expenditure with national government taxing at much lower national levels and largely managing national matters.
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Nick Cohen, writing in 'The Guardian', has produced a damning article about the self-aggrandising PM, Theresa May. It was already widely known that May was incompetent and unfit for any ministerial office after the shambles she made of her time as Home Secretary but Cohen illustrates further how this liar has acted solely in her own interest, rather than in the interest of the people of the country.
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Must be me - what on earth was there to dislike/disagree about this post? Did you watch the program or do you simply assume that my mentioning of it must mean that it totally agrees with my position? It certainly didn't, I was disappointed / uncomfortable.
Lets start by saying that I was born during the war, was brought up on rationing and have known hunger, and lived on meagre rations wearing hand me downs.
I don't anticipate that we will fall back to that level, if we did then with the mindset of this generation and it's expectations from life, we would have a bloody civil war on our hands.
This is no longer the definition of being poor. poverty is a measure of comparison between the life style of the rich and the expectations of the poor, and clearly outlined for reference on the internet.
The lack of long term stability in the life of modern people where employment is no better than it was when we had queues at the Factory Gates and Docks hoping to pick up a day's pay and there was no unemployment benefit are clearly looming on the horizon.
The solution is of course to organise society so that work is provided that can allow a stable life to ensue, rather than engage in financial stunts and swindles that keep the pockets of the rich filled.
We need to become a manufacturing nation again, that actually owns it's own industrial base, not just relies on a temporarily borrowed one.
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This is exactly the same argument you might have if we were, or about to, go the war. All manner of scenarios and 'what-if's'. Like a game of chess...
Actually I didn't repond to your post, as I never saw the programme, though it seems others did.
Nice deflection there! you know very well my intention was to allude to them overseeing the creation of poverty!
The idea of them trying to relieve is has much merit, shame they never make any efforts in that direction , rather prevent funds reaching the needy whenever they can.