Brexit, for once some facts.

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

a bit more behind the problems that lie ahead... oh, no wait its still scaremongering isn't it. Sorry.

http://www.felixmagazine.com/brexit-leaving-eu-devastate-uk-tv/

"The UK is easily Europe’s largest and most prolific broadcasting hub. Some 1,200 television channels are based in the UK, which is almost three times as many as France, Britain’s closest competitor in the EU. Amazingly, around 55% of those channels aren’t domestic – they broadcast from the UK to other countries. Conversely about 35 channels received in the UK are based abroad."

 

[Zlatan]

But yet again not a single request for a particular line of a action from any remainers ?
Exactly what do you want to happen ? Then ask yourselves is it likely or even possible ? I wanted a second referendum so we could see if people had modified their opinions. I also wanted Corbyn to oppose Tory and have remain in his policy/ manifesto. None of that is looking remotely likely now...so lets just harp on about how useless they all are and how vote was or wasn't a binary result or how stupid remainers/ leavers are...All quite futile really..
Or shall we follow Tom's advice; buy guns and shoot each other claiming other side deserved it..

 

[oldtom]

I don't know who compiled these figures or whether perhaps it is just make-believe but I can't help but think these people are simply pawns in a game played by rich people.

The official difference between remain and leave in the 2016 referendum was 1,269,501.



On the basis of those figures in addition to the maths described in post #21100 I can see the validity contained in 'Danidl's comments.

Tom

 

[KTM Bike Industries UK]

But yet again not a single request for a particular line of a action from any remainers ?
Exactly what do you want to happen ? Then ask yourselves is it likely or even possible ?

I'm not sure where you're looking, but its clear there is a plan in place, from the remain side. At least I hope there is, because I'm helping fund it!

There is a reason marches are happening all over the country, and its to stop Brexit.

Manchester now.

The plan is, delay things to give public opinion time to shift as the realities become clear.... then ideally just scrub the plans via parliament. A second referendum is seen by most as a bad idea. We weren't correctly informed at the 2nd one, so why would a 3rd be any different?

 

[Kudoscycles]

Fair point at last, but is that what you want them to do ? A U turn and keep May,JRM and BJ...Thats improvement ? Or a U turn follows by a GE and Corbyn performs another ? He doesn't want EU control either ? ( and he will bankrupt the country)

I just wonder exactly all you remainers actually want. OG wants as much damage as possible to punish us stupid leave voters. Flecc wants USE. Steb wants communism.. Tom wants a left wing revolution Castro style. ? All of which have precious little to do with Brexit and our current healthy position. I,m sat in a bar in Greece, just paid £5 for lunch and a beer. ( even with parity exchange rate) Greeks I,ve met all with could not care less about brexit or say they want to do same..( no doubt Steb will think I,m oppressing the Greeks for only paying a fiver for lunch but he doesn't live in real world)

Actually, I don't like any of the current crop of politicians,but I suppose we have to make a choice.
If Corbyn follows through with raising the max rate of income tax and putting corporation tax back to 25% that would be a big negative for my business.
I am starting to prefer the Rees- Mogg school of business....why?....he will go for the hardest of Brexit,he will make it plain to Brexiteers what is the result of their vote,he has the social conscience of Ali Pasha ( Google him).
He will protect the City of London,to look after his millions.
No nanny state for this man,scrap all benefits,bring back workhouses,no minimum wage....you Brexiters voted for him !!!
Personally ,hate the man,but will bring Brexit to a rapid conclusion,better than death by a thousand cuts.
I have just come back from Greece,try going up into the mountains.....Aristi and Papingo in the Epirus mountains,beautiful and still wild.
KudosDave

 

[Woosh]

No nanny state for this man,scrap all benefits,bring back workhouses,no minimum wage....you Brexiters voted for him !!!

if JRM becomes the next PM (I don't think he will, Amber Rudd has a better chance), this is because about 60,000 pro-brexit card carrying tory members would choose him over BJ.
His ideas on economics are from the same school as BJ. Deregulations, entitlements and low taxes for the rich and austerity for the rest.

 

[oldgroaner]

But yet again not a single request for a particular line of a action from any remainers ?
Exactly what do you want to happen ? Then ask yourselves is it likely or even possible ? I wanted a second referendum so we could see if people had modified their opinions. I also wanted Corbyn to oppose Tory and have remain in his policy/ manifesto. None of that is looking remotely likely now...so lets just harp on about how useless they all are and how vote was or wasn't a binary result or how stupid remainers/ leavers are...All quite futile really..
Or shall we follow Tom's advice; buy guns and shoot each other claiming other side deserved it..

Here is my single request, sit and wait for the gravity of the mistake you made voting for this fiasco to make it unwise to mention that fact in
public.
After all as you point out, Ad Nauseum, there's Nowt as we say in Yorkshire else we can do, and some of us, while not happy that people will suffer, see no other alternative but to wait.

 

[flecc]

I wanted a second referendum so we could see if people had modified their opinions. I also wanted Corbyn to oppose Tory and have remain in his policy/ manifesto.

I can't see any point in a second referendum on the same issue but i would welcome a new referendum on the outcome of the Brexit negotiations. Basically approve, or reject and remain EU members.

Corbyn/Labour having a Remain policy would have been welcome, but he's far too canny to have done that.
.

 

[oldgroaner]

if JRM becomes the next PM (I don't think he will, Amber Rudd has a better chance), this is because about 60,000 pro-brexit card carrying tory members would choose him over BJ.
His ideas on economics are from the same school as BJ. Deregulations, entitlements and low taxes for the rich and austerity for the rest.

Spoilt for Choice is hardly the word,
Rees Mogg, a Madame Tussauds 1880's revisited reject exhibit (or is it the long lost son of Ray Alan's puppet Lord Charles?)
Loves tearing Foxes limb from limb using dogs and invests in companies where the products are used in cause Abortions that he opposes?

Boris the Bold who's mouth goes where no mouth has gone before, and his brain remains at home in bed.
He's still hoping that his brand of slapstick will get him the PM's job, what chance he won't run off on the first day as he did after the Referendum?

Amber Rudd (A law unto herself)

Probably the best qualified as the most undemocratic of the lot and prone to doing exactly what she wants and to hell with laws and rules, Human Rights and all that nonsense.

There was a time when this Country was just a laughing stock, now the rest of the world doesn't even think we are Funny, just Pathetic.

 

[oldtom]

If it's on FB, it must be true....right!



What's the difference between French people and the British?



....and why are British people afraid of the government? Well, you could ask Robin Cook or David Kelly......oh, hang on!

Ok, who's actually running Britain then? There's a book about it:



Ok, 'Brexit' hasn't been so bad up to present, you say......well, let's check some facts - like prices. If only there were some official tables we could look at........



Tom

 

[flecc]

if JRM becomes the next PM (I don't think he will, Amber Rudd has a better chance), this is because about 60,000 pro-brexit card carrying tory members would choose him over BJ.

If Theresa May gets thrown out in a year or two over the Brexit agreement, which is highly likely, ether David Davis, Amber Rudd, Boris Johnson or Jacob Rees Mogg will take over as caretaker.

But I doubt any of those old brigade will lead the Tories into the next general election. One of the newer generation of Tory MPs in parliament will be chosen to oppose Jeremy Corbyn.
.

 

[Woosh]

Boris the Bold who's mouth goes where no mouth has gone before, and his brain remains at home in bed.

apparently, one tory faithful compared BJ with Peter Falk's Columbo character. There may be a bit a truth somewhere in that.
Whichever way, TM will have to sack him soon.

 

[Woosh]

There was a time when this Country was just a laughing stock, now the rest of the world doesn't even think we are Funny, just Pathetic.

I doubt that brexit (and the empire) would make an iota of difference outside the UK and the ROI.
People will still come to the UK for the culture and music.

 

[oldgroaner]

From the independent
"
Boris Johnson 'says Cabinet minister's salary of £141,000 is not enough to live on'
Foreign Secretary mounts renewed challenge to Theresa May's leadership

"
The Foreign Secretary told friends his annual earnings were insufficient because of his “extensive family responsibilities”, according to a report in The Sunday Times.

The Tory MP has four children with his second wife, Marina Wheeler. He also fathered a daughter during an affair with arts consultant Helen MacIntyre, failing to get an injunction to prevent the reporting of her existence."

What a man eh? trying to hide paternity is low even for this creature.
And how much does he fiddle on expenses and other sources?

Put him on the minimum wage, lets see how he gets on there

 

[oldtom]

People will still come to the UK for the culture and music.

If that's the case, let's execute the royal family and the aristocracy - that should free up some big money - and the people will still come here for the culture and the music plus a night or two spent in the Buckingham Palace Hotel or the other one in the shape of a castle at Windsor.

I think my French heritage just came to the fore for a moment then!


Tom

 

[Danidl]

But yet again not a single request for a particular line of a action from any remainers ?
Exactly what do you want to happen ? Then ask yourselves is it likely or even possible ? I wanted a second referendum so we could see if people had modified their opinions. I also wanted Corbyn to oppose Tory and have remain in his policy/ manifesto. None of that is looking remotely likely now...so lets just harp on about how useless they all are and how vote was or wasn't a binary result or how stupid remainers/ leavers are...All quite futile really..
Or shall we follow Tom's advice; buy guns and shoot each other claiming other side deserved it..

Zalthan again I am forced to agree with you,excluding the guns bit obviously.

The .uk has by this stage backed itself so far into a corner that there is no get out. I flagged this up in a number of posts at the appropriate times .. debate in HoC, debate in HoL , the rules governing article 50, the opportunity unexpectedly presented following the election. At each of those opportunities I suggested paths which might have been taken, but were not. Now there is nothing within the power or the gift of the UK side. Even were a plebiscite undertaken there would be no guarantee. Possibly a total resignation of the cabinet? .

 

[Danidl]

If Theresa May gets thrown out in a year or two over the Brexit agreement, which is highly likely, ether David Davis, Amber Rudd, Boris Johnson or Jacob Rees Mogg will take over as caretaker.

But I doubt any of those old brigade will lead the Tories into the next general election. One of the newer generation of Tory MPs in parliament will,be chosen to oppose Jeremy Corbyn.
.

I am going to break my self imposed rule about commenting on british politicians to note that the comments attributed to the Palace about your prime minister's behaviour at the time of the formation of the new government would be the opening salvo in a leadership challenge.

 

[Woosh]

Zalthan again I am forced to agree with you,excluding the guns bit obviously.

The .uk has by this stage backed itself so far into a corner that there is no get out. I flagged this up in a number of posts at the appropriate times .. debate in HoC, debate in HoL , the rules governing article 50, the opportunity unexpectedly presented following the election. At each of those opportunities I suggested paths which might have been taken, but were not. Now there is nothing within the power or the gift of the UK side. Even were a plebiscite undertaken there would be no guarantee. Possibly a total resignation of the cabinet? .

I think the brexit process is proceeding as well as it could be expected. This issue continues to split the country half way, there has not been enough shift in opinion to reverse brexit, so going slow gives the people the time to re-assess their view.
I also approve the government approach with a transitional period. It will be likely that by 2021, at the end of the transition, we'll know how we like brexit.

 

[flecc]

It will be likely that by 2021, at the end of the transition, we'll know how we like brexit.

But surely the trouble with transition is that we still won't know what Brexit is like, since the transition period will keep us within many EU conditions.
.

 

[Danidl]

I can't see any point in a second referendum on the same issue but i would welcome a new referendum on the outcome of the Brexit negotiations. Basically approve, or reject and remain EU members.

Corbyn/Labour having a Remain policy would have been welcome, but he's far too canny to have done that.
.

. Flecc a new referendum on the result of the negotiations might be therapeutic for the British psyche but that's all it would be, it has zero relevance in the real world. Comments about stables and horses.
Any other "assurances" , wherever issued were just flim flam