Brexit, for once some facts.

tillson

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I have a feeling that you may just have demonstrated a remarkable piece of prescience in that offering 'Tillson'.

Police numbers have been reduced considerably over recent years and it is most likely that in the event of nationwide unrest brought about by the effects of 'Brexit', we would see a situation again not dissimilar to that of the 1984 miners' strike.

The journalist, Paul Starling, reported on the use of army personnel dressed in unmarked police uniforms at Orgreave and elsewhere and he has raised the issue again today. I have no doubt this current government would employ the same tactics again against any threat to their supremacy - it is fascism under the pretence of monarchical democracy. In effect, it is monarchical tyranny!

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Paul Starling. September 13th, 2017. THE 'MILITARISATION' OF BRITAIN. STAGE ONE.

This is 1984. Not Orwell's 1984 but the first outbreak of the 'militarisation' to hit the streets of Britain. I spent the full twelve months covering the miners strike as an Industrial Correspondent on TV. Against great pressures I reported that the army had been drafted in in unmarked police uniforms to smash heads, and the miners strike. I was awarded two national journalism awards for my 'consistently fair, accurate, in depth analysis and coverage'. Take a close look at the 'uniform' front-right of the photo. No police number or identifying marks. Thatcher was also prepared to declare a 'State of Emergency' using troops to 'maintain vital national interests'.
I've chosen 1984 as 'Stage One' because it was the first clear break-out in public of a clandestine strategy started ten years before, in the mid-1970s. That strategy was launched by a group of retired senior Army officers, chief among them one of the men who created the SAS. A maverick, he'd tried a similar strategy in Africa (including South Africa). When it failed he turned back to the politics of Britain. A plot was forged between this 'Army' group and senior Tory figures to blacken senior Labour Government Cabinet members, senior Trades Union officials, and others. The aim, to destroy the Labour Government, castrate union power and enforce a Tory government on Britain.
Within five years, it had worked. In 1979 Thatcher swept to power. Within another five years the strongest union, the National Union of Mineworkers was targeted, smashed, and crushed. In the process ALL union resistance was undermined, too.
In 1982 Thatcher, secretly, insisted that British power stations stockpile millions of tons of coal. It was a preparation for 'war' at home
In 1983 Thatcher won power again after throwing Britain's military might to the Falkland Islands. Why? Because she was heading for political defeat at the forthcoming General Election and a display of military power abroad was an early warning of that 'military' action at home.
The Miners Strike in 1984 was THE moment for Thatcher and her 'Generals' to do the 'striking'.
The tactical strategy involved, secretly, throwing millions of pounds of Government money to infiltrate unions, pit communities, and bankroll a breakaway mining union to split the miners. Shadowy figures were organised from one of the capital's best-known 'Gentleman's Clubs', and from a suite in London's most expensive hotel. Key figures in the unions and mining were targeted, blackened or bought off with either money or promises. (All of them ended up later either 'honoured', disgraced, isolated, or betrayed).
Look carefully at the 'uniform' right/front of the photo. There are no numbers or anything to identify the person in 'uniform'. Then look closely at the other unmarked 'uniforms' around him. Drafted on to the streets of Britain to smash heads and smash resistance. The early stages of what was and is a deliberate Tory policy of 'MILITARISATING BRITAIN'.


MORE TO FOLLOW.

Perhaps Stage Two?

Tom
When you think about this government's recent relationship with the police this 2% rise seems rather sinister to me.

It started with the humiliation of David Cameron over the Sheehy report when he was a Home Office Shitmuncher. He never forgave the police for that. Then they were further humiliated over Pleb Gate and the resignation of Andrew Mitchell.

Payback came in the form of the Ginger Tom (Tom Windsor), a specialist lawyer with expertise in transferring public sector departments into the hands of private, for profit, organisations. Organisations such as those who Mrs May's husband has an interest in for instance ( Group 4).

With the Tory government's blessing, Ginger Tom instantly stripped £1100 per year from every officer who had served for more than 14 years. That £1100 had been subjected to final salary pension contributions and those contributions were also effectively stolen.

Next, junior officers who thought they had embarked on a 30 year career, suddenly found themselves having to work for 40 years for a less generous pension.

In return for a less generous pension, contributions went up by 4%, which is effectively a further pay cut on top of the £1100 already stolen.

In addition, overtime rates of pay were cut and allowances for extended duty times were cut.

I have no particular liking of the police and I only mention this to illustrate how spiteful this government are and how they capitalise on weak industrial rights. I think they would like to manoeuvre all workers into a similar industrial rights situation to the police so that they can bully them with ease.

So, after all of the venom, spite and vengeance, why are the police suddenly the government's friends? Why 2% for them and only 1.7% for the prison officers? Why 2% for the police and a 1% cap for nurses, teachers etc? It can only mean one thing, they are going to want heads breaking in the coming months, either as a result of BREXIT or an assault on unions or both.
 
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The Elephant in the room question isn't that preparations are being made to cover likely out breaks of trouble, but whether the Government understand not merely where the trouble is coming from, but whether it is directed from one group at another, one group against them., or later, both groups finding common ground against the Establishment, by far a more dangerous situation.

My take on this is that the capability of the forces of law and order will be sufficient , in the factional unrest scenario, but if the factions combine to turn against authority , they will be woefully inadequate to quell the unrest, against the capacity of the Media to inflame it.

And Social Media add a new dimension too.
 
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Farage was being his usual self at the EU Parliament
"ex-UKIP leader Nigel Farage said the EU had "learnt nothing" from Brexit and was ploughing "full steam ahead".

I wonder whether it ever penetrates this loudmouthed vain idiot's head, that he has actually helped the very thing he criticises come about?
If we were still members of the EU we could have influenced the very events that are now inevitable.

No, Farage you fool, it is you that has learned nothing, you have damaged not just the future of this nation, but actually encourage the EU into a direction your own Government were actively working against it going, by bringing on the Referendum they didn't want!

And still he struts and croaks unaware of the enormity of the own Goal he has scored.

I suppose thanks are due as the formation of a United States of Europe is a worthy Goal, and now there will be no interference from this country.

Good thing those who oppose the process are so stupid they actually help it happen!

History will judge him on a par with Saddam's Information Minister "Comical Ali"
 
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JRM and his gang may have won brexit for the UK but there is no indication that they will win power at the next GE.
The poll currently shows a small Labour lead.
 

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JRM and his gang may have won brexit for the UK but there is no indication that they will win power at the next GE.
The poll currently shows a small Labour lead.
If Corbyn and co have any sense they need to stay out of power at any cost!
Imagine having to take responsibility for Cameron's Folly!

How on earth can any party make Brexit work? virtually nothing of value remains under local rather than foreign ownership and control, we are up to our eyes in debt, both the Country and the Public, and the Government, lets face it are utterly hopeless, and so are the opposition parties.

Then you have to add the press undermining everyone and every thing they try to do.
The only thing that is missing after the success of this defeat of the Nation, by a faction of Right wing Fanatics that have consumed he body of the Conservative Party from the inside is an army of occupation.

Or perhaps it is hoped to get one on the cheap by Bribing the Police and then the Forces too?
So far the Public still believes the promises of better times for them will come true.
They had better do so.

But they won't as the job is too big, too difficult, and the people charged to handle it would need the ability to walk on water in an emergency
When in fact the only thing they can do is Pass water in an emergency.
 
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What do we have to offer, either for our own people or to the world at large?
an example how to behave as if we were superior.

Barker: "I look up to him [Cleese] because he is upper class, but I look down on him [Corbett] because he is lower class."

Corbett: "I know my place."
 
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This is only very loosely connected with 'brexit' but it's interesting to consider while many in the UK are becoming almost celebratory about a future outside of the EU. What do we have to offer, either for our own people or to the world at large?


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An example of how powerless a nation is when it has sold 50% of the shares in the country, most of it's infrastructure and industry and is simply at the beck and call and charity of outsiders

The real question is what do the Foreigners that actually own this country have or even want to offer the world outside, as they are not going to be very interested in doing anything other than using our people for profit, are they?

Will they simply abandon ship?
 
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oldtom

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Will they simply abandon ship?
That seems to me a very likely outcome.

I have just had a conversation with the father of a young woman who works for the ECB and has done for several years. She says there has been an enormous increase in British-based companies looking to migrate their business base, either in part or entirely to Germany mainly but France, Holland and Belgium are also experiencing lots of interest.

Of course, these may only be expressions of interest to see what the choices are in the event that trading becomes less profitable/more difficult dependent on the outcome of the 'Brexit' discussions. Certainly, I suspect that some major foreign-owned corporations would be considering their options - hasn't Michael O'Leary said as much quite some time time ago? I believe Stelios Haji-Ioannou has also intimated that he was making arrangements to deal with a post-'Brexit' future.

I would not like to bet my shirt on the Japanese and American-owned motor manufacturers with British production plants hanging on too long after a hard 'Brexit'.

Still, James Dyson is full of confidence so I guess he's prepared to step in and employ lots of people from the ranks of the unemployed if the hist comes into contact with the spinning blades.

Tom
 

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Will they simply abandon ship?
I think capitalists are all the same, they don't care much for borders or nationalities. They make profit, move the proceed and pay as little tax as possible.
Will they abandon ship? No, they will be welcome to set up new shops in the EU27. An approximately equal number of jobs will move from UK to EU27 and vice-versa.
The end result will be little different to the capitalists.
 

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oldgroaner

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I think capitalists are all the same, they don't care much for borders or nationalities. They make profit, move the proceed and pay as little tax as possible.
Will they abandon ship? No, they will be welcome to set up new shops in the EU27. An approximately equal number of jobs will move from UK to EU27 and vice-versa.
The end result will be little different to the capitalists.
I fear the movement will only be in one direction

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