Brexit, for once some facts.

[oldgroaner]

After the TUC, Labour is coming off the fence.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-jeremy-corbyn-labour-norway-style-eu-single-market-access-sir-keir-starmer-britain-europe-a7940881.html

No wonder Mr Johnson sees his chance to declare himself 'I am not TM'.
I can't see the conservatives holding on to hard brexit for long.
EFTA, here we come.

This part was interesting
"
for accepting its rules, Mr Corbyn chose to underline the importance of European supply chains to major UK industries and jobs.

Pressed on whether the UK could stay in the single market “indefinitely”, he said: “We want a relationship that allows us to trade within the single market, whether that’s formal membership – which is only possible I believe if you are actually a member of the EU – or whether it’s an agreed trading relationship is open for discussion.”

Getting closer all the time to a rejection of Brexit? or simply dissembling?
I wonder, they must be tracking public opinion like a snake does a mouse.
Nevertheless the trend is clear enough, as is that of the Government.
The hard right offensive to win hearts and minds is slowly losing ground.
How long before more of them desert to the other side?

 

[Woosh]

How long before more of them desert to the other side?

large PLCs do this by changing the team at the top.
I reckon if TM loses any vote, that's the signal.

 

[oldgroaner]

This came to my attention while watching a TV show (on arte) about the UK the other night:

Qatar, which is roughly the same size as Yorkshire, has built up its holding in UK property in less than 10 years - although it amassed a vast area when it and Brookfield bought Canary Wharf owner Songbird Estates for £2.6bn in 2015.

However, the tiny country's sovereign wealth fund also owns stakes in The Shard, Harrods, the Olympic Village and Claridge's, as well as One Hyde Park, Camden Market, and an estimated £1bn of property in Mayfair.

You don't even own your own country, how can you say "take back control", "regain sovereignty" by leaving the EU? Qatar, when I last looked, doesn't belong to the EU.

Here is a little more on that
"As many as 24145 UK businesses are owned by companies located abroad according to figures from the Office for National Statistics."
And
"
More than half of all shares in UK companies are in foreign hands "
It gets better doesn't it?
"
At Romford station, in the Essex centre of “taking back control”, there’s a choice of trains into London: those run by the Dutch, or those run by the Chinese. Anyone heading for nearby Basildon has to change at Upminster and pay a fare to the Italian firm that has been operating C2C since January.

Welsh railways fell to German-owned Arriva long ago, while ScotRail is also in the hands of the Netherlands’ Abellio. The French, as part of Govia, own much of Britain’s biggest commuter franchises, including Southern Rail. Still, the news last week that South West Trains – serving destinations such as Weymouth and Windsor from Waterloo – would from August be operated by First MTR, partly owned by the Hong Kong government, marked a tipping point in Britain’s rail franchising.

We actually are bought and sold already
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UK for sale: Uniquely in the world, Britain has sold more than half its companies to foreigners. And we are all paying the price

Which leads me to ask the obvious question, how is this country going to galvanise itself to be competitive against foreign competition, when the Foreign Competition actually own it already?
How is the Government going to make them do anything they don't want to do?
Really when I look at the reality of our situation I am reminded of a conversation with a wonderful Cornish local when I was a teenager on holiday in Mousehole and I asked for directions to Lands End .
A man of infinite wisdom he replied.
"If I was you M'dear, I wouldn't set off from here to get there."
It turned out he was right, back then there was little of interest at Lands End compared to the place where I was already
That sums up Brexit rather neatly.

Not only is it the wrong destination, but we are in the wrong place to begin the journey to get there.

 

[oldgroaner]

large PLCs do this by changing the team at the top.
I reckon if TM loses any vote, that's the signal.

Then it will be a moment of high drama to see who takes power.

 

[oldgroaner]

Much has been made of the threat that the EU will form it's own army and what a "BAD" thing that will be.Yet in order to cut a deal, suddenly not only is it an accepted part of the future, but this happens.

"The new British “future partnership paper” will see the UK offer military assets to future EU operations, while also underlining how “vital” they currently are to tackling threats like that from Russia."

So now future EU operations are vitally important and we want to be part of them
For a Price of Course.

This is of course an example of Conservative Principles
ie The principle being they don't have any.

 

[oldgroaner]

So the great Repeal Bill got through and 18 Labour MPs voted for it too
They will come to wish they hadn't as things turn sour.

What a wondrous situation we find ourselves in, we have a Governing party that is split over what it wants to do, and an opposition that daren't oppose for fear of "Ignoring the will of the people" despite that being expressed once over a year ago and not merely only being an (advisory) marginal win for leave, done against a background of lies and deceit.

And we are expected to look forward to this shambolic group of politicians collectively to organise a business community that is 50% owned by Foreigners, and "Take back control" when there is every chance that some or all of the foreign owners may not agree to go along with Government Policy.
In fact like Nissan and Co they will dictate it to us (as well as the EU doing so, it has to be said)

May I suggest that our first move should be to buy our country back if we want to "Take back control?"
More likely what we will do is simply tell the plebs that we have and ignore the facts of the matter.
And then sell the rest off to more Foreigners till we actually are just tenants of our own country.

The true situation is we are leaving the EU where we were an important partner and even after sending rabid lunatics to represent us we still benefited, to being completely at the mercy of New owners from all over the Planet., who largely came here to benefit from EU Market access.
What must they be thinking and planning now?

And Brexit is expected by the Rank and file to make their lives better?
I feel sorry for them, and afraid of what they will do when the bubble bursts.

This referendum madness has turned the country into the biggest Car Boot sale of all time.
A tad pessimistic?

As les Dawson remarked
"I'm as optimistic as a Turkey sitting on a pile of boxes of Paxo Stuffing listening to Christmas Carols"

 

[Woosh]

May I suggest that our first move should be to buy our country back if we want to "Take back control?"

is it not what JC has in mind?

BTW, none of the tory MPs voted against the bill.
7 labour MPs voted with the government, 14 labour MPs abstained.

 

[Georgew]

Indeed it is bad...but appears even worse for us Scots given that we voted against leaving and doing so will devastate our economy and rob our country of the young immigrants needed to boost our population.

 

[oldgroaner]

is it not what JC has in mind?

BTW, none of the tory MPs voted against the bill.
7 labour MPs voted with the government, 14 labour MPs abstained.

I would be interested in knowing why anyone would abstain
And thank you for the correction on numbers
Sent from my XT1032 using Tapatalk

 

[Woosh]

I would be interested in knowing why anyone would abstain

Caroline Flint is typical of those abstaining, arguing for brexit = will of the people.

 

[oldgroaner]

Caroline Flint is typical of those abstaining, arguing for brexit = will of the people.

Then surely she should have voted FOR the bill?
Weird morality to dodge the issue like that!
She would have done better not to turn up and ring in sick, it would have looked just as phony!

Query: how long does this "Will of the People " last? are we stuck with it Forever?
I'm sorry but this smacks of claiming Diminished Responsibility under the clause "I was only carrying out orders."
When all is said and done this is the will of only 4% of the Voters the rest simply cancel each other out.

 

[Woosh]

Query: how long does this "Will of the People " last? are we stuck with it Forever?

until brexit day, 19th March 2019.

 

[oldgroaner]

until brexit day, 19th March 2019.

I can't see things going on that long, can you? things are on the point of collapse as far as negotiations go, the hard Brexit mob know time isn't on their side, and clearly want a UDI situation.

 

[Woosh]

the hard Brexit mob know time isn't on their side, and clearly want a UDI situation.

what is a UDI situation?

Corbyn is speaking at the TUC conference.
He is defending FOM.

 

[flecc]

what is a UDI situation?

Unilateral Declaration of Independence.

Made famous by Ian Smith, Rhodesian P.M. when he broke away from UK rule over a dispute on equal rights and faced down sanctions. The country long after became Zimbabwe, and today with supposedly equal rights isn't improved in any way under Robert Mugabe.
.

 

[oldgroaner]

Unilateral Declaration of Independence.

Made famous by Ian Smith, Rhodesian P.M. when he broke away from UK rule over a dispute on equal rights and faced down sanctions. The country long after became Zimbabwe, and today with supposedly equal rights isn't improved in any way under Robert Mugabe.
.

And how long I wonder before the term appears as an ambition in the Tabloids?
Remember folks, who said it first (again)
(Some Boring old **** did)

 

[Woosh]

Unilateral Declaration of Independence.

Made famous by Ian Smith, Rhodesian P.M. when he broke away from UK rule over a dispute on equal rights and faced down sanctions. The country long after became Zimbabwe, and today with supposedly equal rights isn't improved in any way under Robert Mugabe.
.

thank you both, you and OG.
quite an insightful parallel.

 

[oldgroaner]

And how long I wonder before the term appears as an ambition in the Tabloids?
Remember folks, who said it first (again)
(Some Boring old **** did)

I have decided I need a catchy theme tune when I make these mad predictions, how about
"Don't Laugh at me,
Cause I'm OG?"
The Norman Wisdom Version will do nicely with only a minor tweak of the words.

 

[Woosh]

meanwhile, in France, look at what Macron has done:

'Papa, c'était quoi un CDI?'

(CDI: permanent contract.)

Look where our own zero hour contracts led to. I liked the guy and do hope that Macron won't make the same mistake.

 

[oldgroaner]

meanwhile, in France, look at what Macron has done:

'Papa, c'était quoi un CDI?'

(CDI: permanent contract.)

Look where our own zero hour contracts led to. I liked the guy and do hope that Macron won't make the same mistake.

I found this link,
https://www.thegoodlifefrance.com/cdd-and-cdi-employment-contracts-in-france/
Clearly you see something here that someone like myself lacks the local knowledge to deduce from the link.
What are the pros and cons that this can lead to?
Is there more to CDI's and or CDD's than meets the eye?