Yes some daft things or at the very least unimportant things and certainly in the case of the last election a serious lack of focus by TM. We've already spoken about the characters in this place, remember? There's little to be gained in repeating your load of tosh.and bad-mouthing just about everybody, presunablly on the basis they went to Eton. I didn't - I lived in a council house and went to a secondary modern in Swindon, of all places. I've certainly met many though, from Eton, and I generally find them OK, once they have been initiated into the real world. Anyway it never did bother me who was the leader as long as they allowed me my voice and together we delivered the goods. As I too have said before it's all about working together as a team and that is down to the leader. I see far more leadership in the C word than any of the others.
Brexit, for once some facts.
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The EU does the same in two ways. They take more from the richer countries. They distribute to poorer regions within countries.
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some of that money compensates the poorer countries for the fact that they lose some of their best trained workers to the rich countries like UK, Germany, France etc.
True, but also often the fault of the poorer countries. We are poorer than Germany and we lose many highly skilled people to Germany, while receiving EU grant money for our poorer regions like West Wales, the North-East etc.
We lose those people because we've failed to provide them the opportunities that Germany offers.
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To a degree I see this and it is to our (UK) advantage. What isn't is the flow of semi-skilled and indeed unskilled workers. I understand why they come and how it 'works' neither do I hold it against either them or the businesses that employ them (small busineses anyway) but the fact remains that generally they do put immense pressure on our infrastructure. We have more than enough people who could do the majority of the work and we still need to look after them and their families - we have to, they live here. This can't simply coninue in the name of free-trade - it will bleed us dry and when they leave what then?
Probably because it's much easier to lead a Conservative party. Conservatism is essentially what the word means, keeping things largely the same over time, some like Jacob Rees Mogg taking that to extremes in refusing to leave the 19th century.
That makes leading very easy, I could lead the Conservative Party, even the nation, with ease by just letting everyone carry on doing what they already do. Trying to lead the Left without major problems is nigh on impossible, given it's diverse possible aims and the scale of change needed to achieve them.
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I don't have to bad mouth them I can offer documentary proof as to the characters of these people, where would you like me to start?
Perhaps you could indicate which one has leadership potential?
It is not "Tosh" unfortunately it is the unvarnished and unpalatable truth that the Conservatives are a menace to the progress of this country, they only exist for the purpose off maintaining the rich at the expense of the poor, while kidding people that they, by owning a few possessions, are "Middle Class" and a cut above those below them who are by comparison a bunch of undeserving hangers on, work shy and there simply to be exploited.
Their sole purpose is to prevent this country moving forward and hold it in thrall to be exploited.
And now at last they are in a position to do just that, and make no doubt about it not only is that their ambition, but they will achieve it, and neither you or I will benefit from what they do.
Sounds sensible, but if it is, why hasn't any effort been made to provide our people with the requisite training and inducements to take the jobs these foreigners have been doing?
Is that the fault of the EU?
No, the fault lies with greedy employers and the Government.
Are you seriously suggesting that having done nothing for a generation suddenly they will change and be progressive?
That goes completely against the Ethos of Conservatism and is a denial of the meaning of the very word itself.
What will happen?
As soon as the dust has settled immigration will go back to the original or higher levels as employers won't play ball on paying for training, and the Government can't afford to support it without unpopular higher taxes.
It will baulk at having to force an unwilling workforce with high expectations that daily are exposed to advertising of a wonderful lifestyle into accepting mundane work fruit picking on a seasonal basis, with low pay, poor working conditions, no security, and little patience, into a lifestyle that even an idiot politician can see will foment unrest.
yes, it is the fault of the EU. May it be unintended, but it is a totally predictable consequence of the single market. That is why I support customs union and access to the market rather than membership of the single market.
When you look structurally at an economy like ours, there will be an ever larger need of small skilled workforce because with the widespread use of IT, there is less and less need for the traditional workers with 5+ GCSEs.
Software now reduces thinking workers to workers taking instructions from a screen. How much skills do you need to work in a call centre? People like me program the call centre software to systematically lower the need for a trained workforce.
Last time I looked there was a great deal of training going on. Quango's all over the place supposedly offering solutions along with the few Technical Colleges that are left (having been plundered by the 'new' Universities). It used to be that the employers provided training but the rush to reduce their profits and increase taxation has had the envitable result - they can't afford to. Control has therefore gone to the centre and been distanced completely from the point of need. Now that lays bare your own OG circular argument. Bit daft to overtrain, if that is actually the case, not in my experience it isn't. But, for some daft reason they think they are too clever by half and have unrealistic expectations - what good is that? How come they don't go somewhere to get work and leave the space for those cherry-pickers?
There is a lot more of this to come I'm sure. Not only robots doing the manual work. We're already seeing the demise of the Banks on the High Street and even the basic knee and hip replacement being mostly the domain of the robot. The next obvious assault will be on the professions, certainly the lawyers and probably the medical profession. Just look on here we're all experts having Googled whatever.
apparently dentists are still much in demand according to the bbc this morning.
The UK is a particularly attractive country for many EU citizens because many are already fluent in the English language making getting a job so much easier.
The UK is a particularly attractive country for many EU citizens because many are already fluent in the English language making getting a job so much easier.
Hopefully not the future! I work as a species identifier of a wide variety of small arthropods and some other lifeforms in the Natural History Museum forum and have seen how so many come a cropper trying to use Google photos and web pages to identify species.
Too often Google and accuracy live in two different worlds.
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Very droll, and a pretty predictable response , how do you imagine your version of reality sounds to me?
Fantasy, wishful thinking and denial of the evidence available.
Have you actually looked at the voting records of the MP's you seem to idolise and seen the anti social way they vote?
Get over yourself indeed....but do a bit of checking up first.