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I forgot one Woosh, he calls folk trolls for disagreeing with other folk , not even his posts. Tom You don't realise that attitudes such as yours, and Blairs condescending yet contradictory, stance merely make people more intent in sticking to their opinions. Not sure how you come to terms with...

Yep , I bet.... more like dead horse in his bed...made them an offer they couldn't refuse...or am I getting Islands confused...

Why the hell should he??? I don't get your obsession with this KTM, Woosh has explained, when he needn't have... This another of your " well its one of my interests" moments ????

I was going to ask how remainers reconcile their feelings with Tony Blair again attempting to be your champion but think you,ve answered question Tom. Best thing remainers ( and Labour party?) could do it to tell his Tobyness where to go. I do really think he willl do more harm than good to...

Yes I can see that flecc..its my conclusion too. We are both missing point about folk wanting things tho, mate runs a Tesla S, cant be justified in charging costs or on any economic reasons. He simply wanted one, its a fantastic car in its own right. I suspect that's case with Hybrid, folk want...

I can see that argument flecc but...the only way they can do that is by charging up from mains as with a plug in hybrid, which negates the hybrid part...and I,m not convinced on a financial argument anyway. Take into account higher purchase price and then long term durability of battery...

My apologies Flecc. Thought you were saying its a prerequisite...

Which one Croxden ? I,ve said Hybrid has its place but certainly not the one flecc is suggesting. If you want great performance coupled with goid economy and emissions and don't mind massive price yes they work... Lets face it F1 is now hybrid...but racing with its continual either...

Unsprung weight us an irrelevance for 90% of car users, infact a lot of performance cars ,( eg Civic Type R) have quietly gone back to beam axle on rear end, which does not have low unsprung weight.. Go and drive a live axled MK, Caterham ( Dedion has high unsprung weight and the 160 a live...

No ,I,m not at all Flecc. The Hybrid is only ever as efficent as the ICE doing the charging ? Once that fact is accepted why put in the cars drivetrain an electric motor, large battery, larger capacity alternator ( or charging motor system) Lets say for example your perfect town Hybrid utilises...

There are more issues with turbine..it does not produce torque from Zero so would always need a clutch , its ideal rpm is extremely high consequently it needs considerable gearing and under load it takes time to accelerate..its why when racing it fuel was pumped in continually even when...

We could just build a Citroen 2cv with a 300cc modern efficient engine for about 20% of price , half the resources and no doubt more reliable. The motor industry want to sell you all this advanced technology, when a good motorised wheel barrow would do job...but that would not make ford , bmw...

Graham Hill raced a gas turbined engines Lotus, he used to wear brakes out on it...he,d leave turbine powered up but use brakes to slow it, release brakes to accelerate...kept the turbine spooled up...I think it completed Le,Mans...afterwhich they were banned... The car Rover built was...

Thanks OG. Very civil of you. And Tom..I actually tootally agree with you re Bush/ Blair...

Thinkk that may have been the Sterling ( or is it Stirlng). There are a few ICE engines in development making big claims. Hybrid Imagine scenario of driving through Europe at 85 mph in any hybrid...( or 130 kmh) Both systems would need to be in operation..infact totally negating the whole point...

Not sure that's way things have gone for efficiency flecc. Higher an engine revs the more frictional losses etc. Modern efficient turbo engines ( eg ecoboost from ford) are quite low revving. Infact tendency has gone back ubdersquare for engine design..but generally engines are capable of...

Yep I believe so..RX7/8/9 still uses it. Very powerful but not efficient. Herr Wankel I believe...

Yep, Ducatti copied it and called it their own. Like I explained earlier tho, still has limitations inherent in cam design..(which its actually a variation of, the crown wheel us the cam) But I get your drift .

I,ll have you a bet on that one flecc... ICE is here for decades with plenty of improvements coming online. Problem encountered with e valve control has been reaction time. Un slower revving its fine...

In a way its already in F1... The goal is to get totally away from the limitations of the cam for 2 reasons. Firstly on grounds of efficiency. ( ie bot compressing anything on valve opening) 2) More importantly to get total freedom within one engine to have a vast range if characteristics...