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You are right with desmo, ducati still use it but essententiallythe valves motion. Is still contolled by an offcentre device rotating, accepted not a cam in general sense. The Chinese. ( with help from Koenisburg I believe) are working on electronically opened and closed. Current valve control...

I wonder how many didn't want to admit wanting to vote leave for fear of insult ? But either way, I cant see problem with another referendum to clarify situation...perhaps in a years time ??? Don't forget every poll in entire country told us we,d be remaining. People say one thing to pollsters...

At moment its looking as though Chinese are going to be first to bring to mass market cam less engines. Will be another step in search for greater efficiency ( compressing valve springs and or air absorbs lots of energy) Don't underestimate the Chinese on technology front...They just keep quiet...

Glad to see I,m going higher in the Tom's estimate...last week I was racist, week before that a xenophobe and the one before that scum, so I suppose in grand scheme of things Troll is quite mild and an improvement. Keep it up Tom.

As does the bigot..Tom.

Scotland wants to remain...ever been on a flight from Barcelona to Glasgow flecc ??? Its an eye opener...

Cheers Woosh I have noticed some folk, definitely including yourself, have attempted to have a balanced approach to topic. I won't leave thread but will confine replies to those worthy of one. Take care. Giving it a rest for a while.

Changed my mind. Yes Tom and OG are right. In everything. All tories are scum. Tillsin and I are both xenophobic,racist misinformed fascists.( sorry Tillson) The whole Brexit campaign has been created by a fascist controlled media leading a Nazi sympathising government, headed by the dictator...

Afraid somebody is loosing touch with reality here.Come on Tom leave it out, this is absolutely ridiculous. You are making a mockery of this debate. Its going places not worth visiting.. It was yourself and OG bringing Nazis and Fascism into this. Its barmy. A warning from history is one thing...

No OG, both you and Tom are both absolute bigots. You search for the tiniest of issues and theb exagerate them to attack anyone who disagrees with either of you. We,ve seen it time and time again on here. Reasonable posters simply stop contributing realising its pointless and will merely lead...

Yep, I should have listened to Peter Hargreaves all along, but bought property in Spain ffor holidays..bit warmer than Brid... I,m putting you back on ignore OG. This is pointless. Go and pester somebody else...please. But no I didn't. I expected buying property in Spain to lose money. It...

FFS not OG or Tom..they,d have me and Tillson shot..

I bought the car to use, which I did, but even had I made money on it, so what...Kudos makes money in every bike he sells. That's how things work OG. Like I said, I lost thousands on house, land , dropped a bit on car..but again so what. You latch in to anything OG..you are obsessed...and mad...

You need to clean your crystal ball OG...Oh how I wish you were right...wish I could fathom a way out to make a few quid..in mean time I,ll just carry on drawing my pension between visits to Monaco and Bransons little island. Your imagination knows no bounds..you really are quite mad... Still...

Nobody can really aargue against Tom's, Fleccs and Corbyn's idealism. ( OG is a different matter) But unfortunately the world is not ideal, its a hard uncompromising place full of conflict. Corbyn,s ideals one day when the entire human race has grown up will be met but not in our time or our...

OG You obviously know nothing about situation as it happened, your knowledge of it is all blatant recent googling. And yes the government may have offererd bribery to get tax returns...again a red herring. Simple fact is German car suppliers saw profit, credit firms ( owned by same) saw...

No you did not at all. What did you want to happen to the Porsches, Mercs and Audis bought on credit by Greeks after they could not pay instalments. The tax had nothing at all to do with it. Greeks took out credit in their droves, later realised payments could not be met ( as country slid into...

Your imaginary friend will help out OG.. BTW you didn't answer question or withdraw insult !

So buying financially repossessed cars is a crime against underpriviliged Greeks? I suppose throwing them in sea would be a better idea? Then they are even more in debt. You really are a fool sometimes OG. You hold EU up as a shining example then when one is given of the system actually...

OG You are simply proving just how naive and insular you actually are here. The whole point of EU is free trade throughout region. I bought a car that had been repossessed in Greece... Big deal. I was simply confirming point made by Kudos. Its how finances work. Buy in an area of low price ...