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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    But OG I don't believe your reasons for staying are any more justified than mine are for leaving. Staying presents just as many economic problems, more social ones. Why should onus be on leaversrs to prove anything when you cant prove anything about staying . Besides , we now have MPs to decide.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That is completely different to what's happening. Just read posts on here, in Facebook etc etc. If you don't like what's happening you can put pressure in right places to get representation of your opinions. If there are enough supporters those representing these opinions will be voted into...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So they hid behind democratic process but wish to carry on protesting when that same process goes against them. And I don't care what justifications they claim, it was done to prevent leaving. Think you are being rather naive thinking otherwise , besides it proves my point when most remainers...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Remainers demanded this decision was put to parliament. What was point of that demand if after it you are saying you will simply carry on in same vein, it makes the demand pointless. Ofcourse we all have right to peaceful protest , what we do not have a right to do is continually degrade and...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No , I agree , that's fine . Personally I,d rather get on with living tho. But each to his own. Good luck. I wont be lobbying either way. And yes peaceful protest is obviously part of our " democracy". But , having said that, once decision is made wouldn't it be more productive to put your...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And BTW what has eu done to get rid of mentioned corruption ? Rather ironic after your stance re staying in eu..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Corruption and proportional representation..but I agree. KTM So what's your plan post mp vote ?? Lobby and complain if you don't get what you want ? Keep doing so until you do ? That's not democracy.. And we have never had, nor will we ever have, true democracy. Its impossible. Like Churchill...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Sorry I don't agree. Democracy needs us all to accept majority decision and work towards a now common goal. One of reasons Italy has proved so weak is its continual change of government and policy ( probably exasperated by proportional representation) . Once decision is made either way the most...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So basically you want country to make " wrong" decision: live to regret it and go back to EU cap in hand.. What a plan...brilliant in its stupidity. You seem to assume the whole Brexit issue is somehow for your entertainment and for you to be able to say " told you so" Very mature OG. Danidl...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So how do you suggest we move forward. Apartheid perhaps.Leavers and remainers ??? How many dissenting voices have there to be to take control, and then what? The other voices start dissenting. Democracy is also about accepting majority decision. Yes I understand your arguments re referendum...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    .Utter rubbish.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    At least you give an honest answer but it leads to division and anarchy.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    In my opinion leave, but if MPs decide otherwise so be it. That's how democracy works.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I didn't say which way for them to decide. I,m putting faith in them to make correct decision and support it either way. Can you do same ???
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Lets just hope the MPs have the balls to give correct answer , for right reasons, and country is sensible enough to accept it.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Had Gina Miller continued this stance I would have had more respect. She is edging her bets now. Saying you want democratic process to be followed is completely different to not agreeing with validity of referendum or its result, but at least your stance is honest. Tillson is spot on...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Good post OG...didnt think you,d approve of me having a go at Hull, you did it for me.Dont forget tho OG, the present system ,including anything eu has or hasn't done, has got Hull where it is today. Could it be worse under Brexit ?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    What was I wrong with OG ? Is misspelling" likened" such a sin ??? And BTW you can alter old posts ? But WTF are you arguing about... Kudos I,d agree with you upto her giving her talk just after the decision and on TV that evening. Her justification wasn't necessary and her reasoning seemed...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No I wasn't , I was having a go at who ever decided it was European Centre of Culture. That's got to be Prescott...or some other fool. Yes place is ok, as is Sheffield,Leeds etc etc...but cultured they ain't.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OG Your argument about me being a remainer is as misguided as rest of your posts , and equally delusional. Good try with rewriting your posts tho, don't worry even gifted individuals like your effluent self make spelling mistakes, even those from the centre of learning and Culture,Hull. Now that...