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Its great to come and read this thread to get a nice balanced; middle of the road view on what's going on.

I,m English and a supporter ( sort of ) of England but I had to laugh out loud when that 2nd Lee Grifith free kick went in. Scotland showed heart and determination and I think the last 10 mins of that match were most entertaining I,ve ever seen. I did cheer when Kane scored though.

It will make Tom and OG just a little angry,,..vut probably Juhnker even more so..dont think he likes,Farage.....

You missed Kane's goal...with 90 seconds left to play..Really enjoyable last 15 mins...

Time will tell Flecc.

So part of Italy,s problems are not related to PR ?? Think you,ll find many think so. Trouble with improving teams flecc is others improve too. In football as politics there is no time like the present. This election will be looked back on as a missed opportunity. Will they get in next time ...

All up weight is perhaps 10 % heavier. You are neglecting fact pushbike is one of few vehicles way way lighter than load it carries.

Great last 10 mins..Scotland England game. Had Scotland scored another goal they would have won !

Ofcourse they are not. Just have a think OG.Thought my view was simplistic.?

But ends up with only ever a minority ,and potentially weak, government. For an argument against PR look at Italy.

The only reason Labbour and Corbyn are happy about election is expectations. They were expecting to lose by a massive margin and didn't. That tells a story . Any organisation with that mentality never wins anything. Have you ever seen Lewis Hamilton or MUFC or Murray happy at not winning. Only...

I did weeks ago.

Because he could have campaigned on doing exactly that and if possible carried it out. His stance on Brexit has neither helped or hindered. And as normal you tell me I,m wrong....Opinions are opinions OG. Yours and mine may differ but neither are wrong..so stop doing it. Yes , express your...

It was said last night that TM was a secret leaver , only showing her true colours after referendum. But then again successful politicians don't have true colours. They seem to adopt anything to stay in power...so who knows.

Perhaps flecc but irrespective of how far left he is we will never see him in no10..How he is viewed abroad is irrelevant ,his policies on defence, taxation,social services and especially nuclear deterrent IMO make him well towards left. And BTW flecc your stance on saying right wing press have...

Thought for the day on Radio 2 from folk not qualified to have one...oh and OG especially when he has is correcting spelling head on. ( only joking OG, place wouldn't be same without you..)

Like I said earlier he should not be labour leader if he thinks that way. If Labour thinks it should not happen their manifesto and policies should reflect that stance. It seems Labour are more secretive and scheming than Tories at moment. By your argument they are waiting to inherit a complete...

This election will be remembered as a massive missed opportunity for Labour. A more moderate leader, with a more main stream approach to defence , Trident and Nuclear Power and probably even a more cynical attitude to Brexit would have seen a landslide victory for Labour , not this psuedo win...

Not far enough to get Corbyn in no.10 .

You,ve got too much time on your hands OG..