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yes agreed here. Sad but true..Labour needs to move to right to stand any chance of taking office.But Blair has quite a deserved stigma attached to his followers. Corbyn was dreaming thinking about a minority government. It will never happen.

I think that's quite different to your initial post on subject, cant disagree with any of it, but Labour lost this election and by some margin. They won nothing, purely did better than we all assumed.

So Corbyn and Labour are timing their push for power ? In how many years will that be ? Waiting fir Tories to get their act together. They had their chance and blew it. Tories will not make this mistake again. Labour should have siezed the day. Carpe Diam and all that.Perhaps next time..sounds...

Brexit is no more in doubt than pre election. ( I believe there are actually more Brexit supporters in house of commons than last week) I couldn't care less wether Brexit happens or not. I,ve said all along in long run it will make no difference. ( I even quoted HL as saying " everything has...

Me too, perhaps leftish...but both you and I have been shouted down ( and insulted)again and again,as was Tillson as Tommie just was. I,ll guarantee as we post one of pair will be cutting and pasting some leftish garbage. Amazes me how labour have looked on this result as success. TM has made...

Thought QT was good last night. Fairly balanced , ( especially at side of how this place has been pushed towards extreme left)some good questions and observations from audience. Grayling came over well and Campbell showing us why he was Tony's lap spinster. Comment of the night .." Labour...

Watching last night you,d have thought result was decided by 11pm...Folk start to ignore polls and then one works...

Don't really think its time to celebrate...Labour haven't won this election...Tories have lost it.Government and country are going to be in complete turmoil for years. Hung parliament is no good for anybody.

All coverage of election making arguments and pseudo conclusions on exit polls...based on what 0.06% of voting public said leaving polling stations..Its ridiculous.

Nice one Flecc, some on here would have run both over on chance one was "tory scum". ( Not my word) If it stops raining I,ll go and vote...

Well it rains pretty constantly where I live and Tories are about as likely to get in as screaming lord such....

There are lots of socialists walking up and down front in Benidorm, perhaps JC could have reached a deal with OLeary to ferry them home for today's vote. Living on benefits in Benidorm makes getting home too expensive. ( This post is only half joking, you really can see the social.divide in...

"I was in error in assuming everyone understood that the slogan was a propaganda publication manipulated by the Murdoch press for their own purposes." A campaign you insist has been successful, ipso facto then you assume the message on the mug is applicable to the general public? An opinion you...

Amazing how I,m holier than thow for criticizing a post you made saying " Keep Frightened and Carry On?" Like I said perhaps you should qualify post explaining exactly who it is aimed at...and as normal your bigot friend came to support you.

No OG I missed nothing. The message on the mug is out of order and wrong. Your post makes no reference to whom the comment is intended to describe. Agreed its how media are reacting but not the public or services. Its so easy to knock things on here with absolutely no redress; its actually...

Don't think that's a fair comment. The media are using situation but general public are dealing with it. Lots of examples of brave reactions. The guy saying he was a millwall fan and having a go on his own against assailants was one of many. People are very resilient OG, organisations less so.

I agree with all that , but it seems " most" carrying out these recent attrocities are generally home grown. Can you imagine how disaffected, distanced and remote from our society you must feel to be able to carry out these acts. Yes they perhaps get their reasoning, beliefs and justification...

Hope you are right flecc, but it wont be end of fundamentalism and terrorism.

You cant knock any of services in last few incidents. Quite the reverse, from fire service ,ambulance and police going into situations rest of us are running from..and the police going in and shooting terrorists with no arm to public is fantastic. We should be applauding them, others have caused...

Strange times already Tillson... Daily Mail actually has an almost positive article about Corbyn and an anti May one..??!!! Labour will get in in my area and I will be supporting them on Thursday but thought May's comments post last attack were decent. She was accused of pushing party politics...