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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That is utter rubbish. You have a serious problem that distorts your opinions OG. Just examine IHT, CGT etc etc. Yes there are some who manage to avoid tax both legally and illegally but the vast majority of folk, wealthy and not so wealthy, have little intention of avoiding tax. (For last 10...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Afraid not, there won't be any money. Yes, we may end up with a more caring government but how many people would trust JC and Diane Abbot to run their business ? But they would agree to then running country...into the ground.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Well I hope all you remainers have a good think before voting Corbyn in ( if he does do a U turn ) on back of staying in EU because I guarantee that bloke will bankrupt the country way quicker than leaving ever could. His policies are financial disaster.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Why should UK pay ...if its benefitting EU they can pay.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So the major players in EU are utilising cheap labour in minor ones and in.mean time making massive profits out of the workers. Is that part of your EU social caring flecc ? You should ask yourself why those areas were targeted and then ask yourself why cost of living is what it is across the...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The hostility on here has been against anyone speaking remotely positive about leaving ( or voting Tory) Perhaps you are trying to infer a link between xenophobia and leaving ? If you are are I disagree...if you aren't, you make a fair point. Its a complete myth people voted leave for xenophobic...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    If our country does descend into violence and chaos I,m afraid I,ll place the blame not at the Tory elite, right wing, or any of the groups Tom and OG despise. The blame will lie with such as Tom. His and his ilk have somehow been empowered by Brexit to rant , rave and always insult with...
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    Fascism returns to Spain

    It certainly wasn't in example I offered. Besides nobody was wanting to go back to good old days. Recognising a persons country and identity has nothing to do with nostalgia or the past only the future. Wish Catalans good luck , afterall they have been wanting self determination since...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Again being selective is not accepted on here. Broad sweeping statements are required. Its in forum rules.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Why ofcourse, that's one of this threads facts. Come on Peter..keep up..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Oi...it was me you insulted... And OG is Hull, which doesn't count..They decided to leave and then come back...They were Humberside for a few weeks ..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No, he was making a joke of me...for changing my mind...again don't worry , you wont understand that concept either..but thanks for defending Rotherham,s honour... But its a difficult task...apparently Rotherham doesn't want Yorkshire independence. They don't want to move to Spain.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It was a question OG. Don't worry , you have never answered one before.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Doesn't make any difference now. Unless Tories and Labour relinquish power to Clegg.. But since Gods country is now destined for independence ( without actually asking if anybody wants it) looks like me and,OG might get another vote.( Well if Hull is actually in Yorkshire this week) World has...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    You obviously haven't seen size of voters in Rotherham.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Listened to Nick Clegg trying to raise his career from oblivion this morning. How much support do posters see him getting. Seems a strange scenario when two of the least popular mp,s in our history ( or is that 3 if we include VC) are the voices championing remain. Tony Blair, Vince Cable and...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Shoot all the old groaners..
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    Fascism returns to Spain

    No Flecc, some people are much more motivated and for very personal reasons. This might be OT but story worth telling. When we lived in France we had a small allotment. Over the ten years we were there we got to know the old chap looking after the adjacent plot. Communication was difficult as...
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    Fascism returns to Spain

    There does seem lots of conflicting information around referendums etc in Catalonia. Article mentioned yesterday talks of 80% wishing to leave in 2014...Catalans asked for independence in 1932.
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    Fascism returns to Spain

    Cant post links but this article is worth reading. This article was originally published on 22 October 2014, weeks before Catalonia held their first vote for independence, where 80.8% of voters said they wanted Catalonia to be an independent state. The history of Catalonia Catalonia was an...