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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Good points. Shows how difficult a situation they are in... Or we are in.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I agree distancing from unions, moving centrist would lead to short term further loss of votes/popularity but when electorate realise such as McCluskey no longer control party voters would return. Its no media lie that McCluskey has way more influence over party than he ever should. (he...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Totally agreed. Trouble is Blair is viewed as Torie lite, but that is exactly what country wants. Difference is if Labour offered it they would get historic vote, even if policies weren't left wing.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I provided links dispelling both scenarios. Wish it was so simple for Starmer. Afraid its rather deeper. Don't forget controlling influence in Labour are anti EU... (Corbyn picked up gauntlet from Tony Benn regarding EU, Corbyn, as I, ve told you before, never supported a single EU vote... He...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It's on its way. Wales represents around 4% of UK population. In fact it could be argued in England Labour are already there, an irrelevance. In Hartleypool 2021 they managed 28% of the vote. In 1963 they managed 75%. Its this attitude of not seeing reality which will ensure Labour's...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And? Your point?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And, back to Labour's descent to oblivion. This is an old article, reproducing an article from 2019.Yes,I know it's the Express and all that entails, but the message is essentially correct. The chief architect of Labour's current position is McCluskey. Not Starmer or Corbyn, both actually decent...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    No fact check is. The austerity deaths were a silly lie dreamed up by Corbyn. It shows his normal awareness as a political clown. Had he had evidence proving the claim, then fine use it. He had none, in fact quite the reverse it can be shown (as link explains) claim is pure supposition. Then...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    To be fair tho we should really compare Sweden with Norway and Denmark, both of whom have had even lower death rates than either ourselves or Sweden. UK now stands 15th in world death rates, likely to be passed by Croatia, Spain and Poland in near future. Does beg the question why has Hungary...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Are you reading Guardian again? You should know better at your age. https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-did-austerity-kill-120000-people And laying blame of Covid deaths at feet of politicians is just not going to stick. This is what Lancet has to say about Bolsonaro, never mind...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/synthetic-fuels-efuels#intcid=_wired-uk-bottom-recirc_ef59d030-4ba2-44b5-8ea1-ecc406256046_entity-topic-similarity-v2 And an interesting one.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    My sailing buddy has just had stents fitted post heart attack.. Only last week.. We, ll be convelessing together, trading insults and hopefully back on water around same time.... Good luck with yours too.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    https://www.wired.co.uk/article/internal-combution-engine-obituary Nice article..
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I had my first vaccine 12 feb. Second 27th April.. Between those dates unfortunately my entire immediate family, including yours truly, were found to be covid positive. (all within a few days of each other) That was around 5 weeks ago.(We are blaming grandson bringing it home from school but...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Shoot them.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    What we call it is actually immaterial. It's a handle, a label. Sad fact is with such little opposition we only have Tories. Personally I, d rather have a viable alternative even if it only had slightly more left policies. As it is we have either Tories or a Labour party still dominated by...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Because country historically would never vote lib dem. They have failed before starting. Listen to Labour today.. "we need to be more socialist" (just on news) They never learn. We don't have left wing voters. They do not exist. The writing is on the wall. Hartlepool Conservative.. First time...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It's not Starmer failing though, it's Tories winning. Starmer could be sort of successful without dragging the anchor of Unite and Momentum. Policy makers in Labour are sort of right. Starmer could be right man... If Labour were sorted. Changing to another leader won't alter a thing.
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Blair could have gone down in history as a great PM. The lies, the war and his respect for Bush destroyed his tenure and legacy. Knock on affect is Labour still in disarray. I, d vote for a Blair type (again) if he was leader of a unified party. I like Blair. He did have, or appear to, have a...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Sorry Flecc can't agree with that. Think it's actually part of problem. Blaming electorate, media, Tories and anyone else is missing point and it has accompanied socialists movement into oblivion. Part of labour's psyche is now blame somebody else without examing exactly what they do stand for...