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https://unherd.com/2021/05/where-it-all-went-wrong-for-labour/ Interesting article..

It is, but just seems to me all this has coincided with Labour at their lowest point in 50 years or perhaps that's contributory. Has Labour ever been so fragmented? We still have Blairites pulling one way, Unite opposing everything they do, Momentum agreeing with neither and Starmer stuck in...

Let's hope so.

Yep, I suppose you are right. It's quite a priority for country to have a viable opposition, what we call it or where it comes from isn't that important. Historically that has been Labour and with its decline we don't seem to be seeing one take its place.??? The prospect of a one party democracy...

I, ve heard him a few times and fully agree he often speaks sense. (not sure he is doing at moment with regards way forward for Labour, he agrees with you with regards moving away from Starmer and to the left) My issue is with the system where McCluskey holds so much sway over Party, and despite...

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labours-uncivil-war-digs-deeper-24072612 Even the mirror can find relevant comments about Labour's plight, but ultimately like much in the Mirror suggesting Starmer might lead labour to power is fiction.

He talked sense this morning, a very rare attribute for anyone with anything to do with Labour at the moment. He didn't mention his views about some third world banana Republic Junta. But I don't suppose he thought it relevant. I can't imagine why.

No, not really I don't. I suspect its simple mud slinging at a time Labour should be sorting themselves out rather than lashing out. Especially so with a likely GE coming up next year. Most of country are rather more concerned, interested in effects vaccine has had and is having. I visited my...

Like selecting Labour Party Leader?

Don't be ridiculous. And I suppose you see it as helpful for either party with the label? In my mind label is more appropriate for folk willing to use it.

Your support for McCluskey suggests to me Marxists leanings. Unionism, collective block voting. That is beyond socialism irrespective of past voting.

I, m understanding it perfectly thanks Flecc. In this case you are wrong. By your definition please describe a Conservative.

Small C conservatism is a political phrase tho Flecc, we aren't talking about conserving the planet or jam. In politics small C conservatism is holding same views as a Conservative would but voting for another party. Phrase was coined to describe the thousands of voters in the 1980s who...

Think it's out of options. Sort of realising why today.

So Oxford Press and Wiki are wrong. Nice one flecc.

Utter rubbish. If a person votes Conservative, irrespective of their views they are deemed Conservative. (and scum by some) If they hold Conservative views but vote for any other party they are said to hold small C conservative views.! (and are small C conservatives) Fact. Read the definition...

Agreed re Conservative needing a small C in the example. My phone gave it to it. You argued small C Conservatives were right leaning moderates. That could be case but might not. They could be radical right wingers and still vote Labour... (It often happened around us) Conservative voters are by...

As usual irrelevant to argument. The level of union take up was is nothing to do with it. The problem is the hold Unions have over Labour Party, essentially to such a degree McCluskey can make or break (ie Choose) Party leader. Flecc with his Marxist leanings sees that as OK. I don't. McCluskey...

Nope, you are wrong. Look it up. By your silly definition Conservative MPs could be small C, by definition they are Conservative. Stop being silly Flecc. It's not like you.

No, it does not. Conservative with a small C denotes anyone who holds Conservative views without voting Conservative. Many past Labour voters were definetly Conservative with a small C. In fact whole swathes of our area, many who simply voted Labour by history, tradition or dogma did so but...