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You are missing one crucial bit. The EU project is severely damaged and under threat, they need a trade war with the U.K. Like a hole in the head and as I previously posted I think what we were asking for will increasingly be what at least some of the other countries will want too So for example...

Ok time for a refresh I would like to hear your opinions on the role of the press, tv, Internet in our democracy going forward. I believe as usual there are threats and opportunities For example in the referendum I think the press were very influential. The TV debates were excellent on the...

I always thought May was a euro sceptic and I think she was playing tactical with the referendum, she wanted to be on the winning side Pretty dishonourable in my book, but she is now a brexiteers along with the best of them Fox is being talked about, another brexiteers but I agree were was he...

It s very simple, he's spent the last few days drumming for support, it was not there. Then Gove hi partner defecting and the prospect of a bitter fight, even if he won who would he then work with. It was the pragmatic decision but he is a fighter and he will be back perhaps in time for an...

Well OG Xmas come for you early, Borris is bowing out of leadership race

Um, can't reply these points and can't smile either. Seems this is back to original arguments, don't want to play tennis againo_O

OG I understand and agree your frustrations with the political processes and classes. We are stuck with that until we change it through the usual processes The key issue EU in my opinion was not the solution to the problem, only compounding it Now we have our chance to address that at least

The point still is that gaining our sovereignty back means we can decide these things, in the current EU it was a symptom of them over reaching themselves, in a common trade area this is not within there gift

I understand what you say, but I don't think the convention on human rights was one of the main campaign points of the Brexit campaign, just another party political issue, which of course should be debated as usual Never the less Brexit will enable that if the collective will is for it

Just opinions about parity I believe, it is doing very nicely now about 5% down but reality is on all previous occasions lower ex rate helps our economy, and actually it hurts europes because of deflation which is really killing them. I read also that some experts think £ is to high anyway and...

What do you think is the betrayal, we will leave the eu, gain back our borders, reclaim our sovereignty and continue free trade?

I don't think so, for me it ticks all the boxes and is not really a negotiation in some sense, I think events will show it to be the natural flow of direction

Carefull now OG;)

Also in the process the euro area will need closer integration including common budget, taxation, debt sharing and financial controls As part of this some countries will for sure drop out into tier 2 , and to be frank it is far from clear whether even Germany wants such integration, but without...

You misunderstand me OJ The euro area will be Europen state, whatever that is called, the rest is simply a free trade area with self governing states, own currencies, non Schengen, no free movement and minimal constraints by EU Although some budget contribution for the control and administration...

You are probably right but Borris has more appeal with the grass roots Tory members than either the school mistress or the bank manager Anyway finally it's the team that counts

Breaking news .Gove will stand for PM That's probably sunk Borris, as I think Gove was the king maker

Read the article if you can get it, it paints a somewhat different story with logical reasoning

"Markets show Europe is just as vulnerable to Brexit as Britain" Very interesting article in today's Telegraph ( couldn't get link) which clearly demonstrates why negotiation is ON as soon as Europe understands its own position

By the way I also read the French statement but frankly may be a little misleading and is usual problem of loose talk that we also suffer from