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We voted for out. Any talk about some kind of in, is a distraction and leads to compromises that will be no good for us or for the Euro leadership, at least as things stand today We should negotiate on basis of OUT, However, there is always a however, that is not say that will be the final outcome!

U i dont think calling our bluff is quite right here and in any case I sense some differing views Certainly they want to control the negotiations and article 50 helps them do that, i.e. No cosy chats, but also junker now wants us out, on his terms And he is also being unreasonable given our...

Completely agree and it is the main fault line that is most likely to split the EU, which is why in my view we will ultimately have to embrace 2 tier Europe A truly convergent euro area, with realistic goal of a single entity, difficult and long term but perhaps achievable but bugger me if I...

Interesting, because it seems our beloved bureaucrats vision is more centralist than even America then , because our impression is they want to control every aspect, and more in there pursuit of the EU dream That's the impression anyway and is why Europeans not just Brits are getting nervous

To be honest the last place I would use as a positive role model is The US of A, The dominance of corporations and financial institutions, the inequality, the racism , the under achievement of much of the population, the shear introversion, sorry I can't think of any positives and I have worked...

If you think you have lost, and are powerless then it is so! No one won battles from that position But courage, and drive on the other hand..........

Apologies Dave, maybe getting too intense in the subject and form of the thread

We cannot control everything. If they persist in such direction then let them try. I for one would not lose sleep over grandiose schemes of the French and Germans, especially this article at the end of the day is the treatise of one individual and is probably not really shared by his compatriots...

Maybe, who knows The only guarantees are the avoidance of extremism, we are not doing too well on that at the moment. The continuance of joint activities and open communication, we are all certainly trying Facing up to the issues with honesty, calling a spade a spade and a willingness to...

Wow OG, you are well read aren't you, but I can't help feeling a little less might have been better, Sometimes we can't rely on others views or statements or facts, but are better working it out for ourselves based on values, logic and indeed experience and instinct This theology of Europe reads...

Here, here, but sorry to ask, which planet do you live on?

Just read first section and can't see any issue with this intention or words, but so far it is all bullshit in that it does not at all reflect what we have got Such wonderful sounding intentions do not reflect what the countries individually and EU are doing. This is the major mismatch between...

Forgive me if I misunderstand A federation of nation states is not in my view the same as United States of Europe, which as I read it is like USA, with just effectively regions but under over whelming central control, with just small amounts of devolution If in style of USA then this is not...

When you think of these things idealistically it sounds so wonderful One World, equality, no more wars, trade on equal terms, the elimination of the nation state, no more poverty, free movement, freedom of expression, free love:) But superimposed on the reality i fear this is Dangerously...

I completely agree which is why I have said all along that a vote for Brexit is the start of negotiations and potentially to change the direction of the EU The Commission does not like that but it will not be lost on the countries Better to have that debate now, rather than just deal with Brexit...

I I thought it sounded wrong, but if you believe the press it is what he said Also another that seemed far fetched but maybe said in bad humour was if a brexiteers won the election they would expect clause 50 to be initiated immediately, if a remainder wins the election they get a couple of...

Hi guys me again While you are all pausing for breath, thought I'd inject another little thought What do you think of Junkers "presidential ban" forbidding all EU countries talking to Uk to avoid any smoke filled room deals being made? Frankly I didn't know he had that power? Or has he just...

OG You paint quite an extreme and depressing picture of democracy in this country. You won't be surprised to hear that I don't agree with it largely because it is such an extreme view It is clear however that it has problems, which are really nothing to do with the Brexit issue currently...

The rabble that you mention will not be erased by toughing it out or being more intransigent or simply sticking to the failed vision, it will only increase there voice and power, we have to change direction and listen to the needs of the citizens, not the establishment who knows best and ignores...

To me free movement of people rightly belongs within a European State, not a trade area, so this was clearly their vision which is why they try to force it on everyone, then as now is a work in progress if you still believe this is their direction then it should apply to the Euro area only, thus...