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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    The thread, which has typically been like a tennis match, without much in the way of considered fairness to alternative views or opinions However frankly it's too late for anyone to claim to have found the fountain of truth, it is often perceived as you expect it to be, which if you will forgive...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I've already listened to the whole programme set, and my comment re this thread still stands A bit defensive aren't you :)
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Good try Flec, but I'll give it about 10 mins before someone cries, propaganda, lies. Ha!
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I will trust to your superior knowledge, but it's still irrelevant. He is not the only person and the only arguments for Brexit. That's the problem here, in football terms you lot keep playing the man, instead of the ball
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Still you are mixing up the issues. Ambition is not a sin but the referendum is not about Borris no matter how hard the remainders try to make it so. By the way you are right haven't be following London news, it's not the only part of the U.K. You know The public would not be fooled by Borris...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I can agree that Gisela Stuart came across very well and I could genuinely relate to her and agree with her, she is also on the Brexit side Regarding Borris, I can agree you either like or dislike his style, but listen to his words instead of distorting them Regarding public services, firstly...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And still the nonsense continues!!!
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Hi Flecc I agree with you that our internal politics has not been good , but depends on what part of the spectrum you lie I am of firm socialist background but got disallusioned with there doctrine many years ago The Blair years were interesting, I voted for him and now regard him with nothing...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Very droll, but having been absent from the thread for a few days and just catching up, it struck me again just how negative and already decided much of the posts are. Not like a debate at all, little more than the politicians are doing, regrettable really. I'll leave you to consider, are you...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Yes of course, including much of the tripe that has been posted on this thread, you would really think some of you are on the campaign teams rather than just sharing opinions and trying to find the truth
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    If there is a vote for Brexit, I would be very hard pressed to recommend negotiators from the current groups, now that's an issue, it certainly can't be Cameron and his "inners'
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Ahah, back to a subject we all know about! Trex you are indeed right and I cannot deny in the game of duties, export and import there would be winners and losers on both sides of the channel That's why I think pragmatism will prevail, but if not then please consider on average duties nowadays...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That's one possibility, but so is simply paying duties on exports , and of course charging duties on imports, net difference probably zero Combined with the probability of lower value pound, looks good to me Roll up more New Zealand butter. I just don't get the negative idea that all the cards...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Really sad, you don't like England very much do you' , and if what you say is true re our chance to change Europe at this stage through brexit vote which I grant you is one scenario then that would just confirm we are better off out because we for sure would not get the result by simply staying...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Old groaner, There you go again, negativity and bias What I am saying is we are clearly in a negotiation, just as Cameron pretended to do. Where he went absolutely wrong is in the little England idea that we the uk needed concessions or exceptions. No wonder he failed What we are talking about...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I agree with this and referring to trex Telegraph article (we're did that go), although it stated a definite hit to uk credit rating and some risks of money outflows it also talked about serious consequences for Europe, maybe not collapse but certainly restructuring needs and this is causing...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Question for you all? This has so far been a very interesting debate covering a broad range of issues. Have any of you changed any of your views as a result and why? And then has any of you a mind to change your decision on how to vote? Just interested in how effective this thread has been as a...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    How strange, have we been watching the same interviews ?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    It is possible that the high turnout is now made up of previously unmotivated, or can't be bothered to voters. So what now motivates them? Anger is a strong motivator, but I would think this is less likely to be about the issues themselves that hardly got this attention at the election, but...