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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And don't forget the airtime the trial hearing will get tomorrow, how exactly did they get such an expedited trial date on exactly that day? No doubt they will also allow him a long speech to impress the electorate
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Old Tom, Your best post yet and thank you it is not biased to one camp or another. I agree completely which which is why I posted re facts and figures, ie these are in the eyes of the beholder and from my experience will never make a decision for you no matter how hard you try. So we are now at...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I hope they are all just having a flutter, this is not a vote I would put my shirt on
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Thank you trex for recognising that the economic arguments were overblown. The respected and probable estimates are gdp could be affected by plus or minus 1% by 2030 14 years from now, so completely out of any bounds of forecasting capability, this is also based on less than an expected growth %...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    What absolute tripe, firstly anyone that has worked with facts and figures knows that you can present, manipulate them also to say almost anything you want them to Additionally I have been constantly amazed by people's inability to draw conclusions from facts which conforms to any logic, is not...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Do you remember those two old Muppets!!!
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    So I hear our judicial system has just performed a unique achievement and has completed the investigation, and bringing to trial of joes murderer in record time and it goes to trial on Thursday 23rd, but don't worry guys this is completely coincidental and in no way will compete for airtime with...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    OH What an insight, phone Cameron and the Brexiteers. Old Tom has got the answer. Ha Ha Ha
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Agreed, but our politicians are still pretending we have a special deal
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    That what full fiscal union means. You know like us funding Scotland or for that matter fiscal flows from Yorkshire to Lancashire That is exactly my point, if they claim to want an EU state they better start acting like it, and the Greeks they clearly hold some blame, but it is still irrelevant...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Thanks for the use of your dictionary, but no thanks. Put it away for gods sake and start to think about what is going on before it is too late
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Correct me if Im wrong (I am sure one of you will) We opted out of union and retained a veto, we also were forced out of the ERM and Euro, so our circumstance has to be recognised which is not We are being dragged in the same direction. The EU is afraid of recognising the two tier approach for...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I agree with some of what you have said ie referendums and letting a government get on with that. But Cameron manipulated that referendum issue to win an election, which he duly won He has lied about immigration, he has no control and still will not admit it, which is pointless, the people may...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    KTM I am quite sure I have voiced this in previous posts but I will try to summarize in as few words as possible - I do not agree with the direction the EU is going, it seems to be sleep walking to a federal state, driven by Bureaucrats rather than the real consensus of the peoples. - It is...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I agree. The difference between Cameron and Corbyn Cameron is a Politician, they dont give straight answers for fear of the next question that they cant answer or leaves them out of a job Corbyn is an idealist left wing agitator, probably a very nice and honest man with real values, not just...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    What I should have added was that finally a yes vote even only 51% was interpreted by the European elite as agreement to go ahead as they wished, with no further recognition of the factors that people were not happy with. Even today enlightened folk such as Donald Tusk (and previously David...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    By way of distraction you may wish to read the attached on the French 1992 referendum on Maastrict http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1992/eirv19n39-19921002/eirv19n39-19921002_040-non_victory_in_frances_maastrich.pdf The yes vote was 51% with about 70% turnout, so equally close as now. The...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    And this is why your are wrong and all your comments are distorted accordingly Remember 50% of th electorate (don't hold me to the precisenumbers) are infavourof Brexit Do you really believe all are racists, stop this delusion and try to recognise the real objection most of us have instead of...
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    I respect your view Hi old Tom, still hiding in the wings, why don't you share your reservations?
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    Brexit, for once some facts.

    Um, interesting post but honestly not sure whether I completely understood your point I also blame blatant greed and capitalistic controls for the financial crisis, but don't tell me The EU is an antidote for that. The rift between rich and poor is growing all over, including Europe, look at...