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Somt get a magic pie 3. The in built controllers fail and i have heard of lots of the controllers getting water damage, the same for the earlier magic pies with external controllers which have very limited amp ratings and are also unreliable. The pie 3 Has all the wires moulded in plastic...

it's the controllers for the Golden motor that people have issues with not the hub motors themselves. the first generation MP had an issue with spokes coming loose, this has now been changed and rectified. The smaller wheels will be stronger and i think they have a forged metal frame connecting...

That bike is all show and no go!;)

OK Neil, as promised some pictures,,,, and a detailed review to boot........ click the link: Magic Pie versus Complete Novice (A Long Winded U.K Review)Sexy photos inside!!

The PIE is acyually 1000w not 1200 as advertised on Alien Ocean. But even so due to the current safety limit on the controller it's more like 800 - or so i'm led to believe, but i have not tested it and this is just hear say

Neil, if you want quick this is probably the motor you want.... Nine Continent NC26RD_Fast look for it on this page... The Grin Cyclery A 35amp controller would give the best results along with a 48v battery

Hi Neil, I'm new to this forum and have just bought a Magic Pie kit from China and got it for £150 cheaper than off Alien Ocean and that includes shipping and custom charges from the shipper. However, GM's quality control is notoriously bad. My kit actually arrived with a rip in the rim...