What Is The Main Purpose Of Pedelecs ?

[flecc]

Put it to a poll then.

As democracy it's unlikely to happen, web sites are dictatorships.
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[Zlatan]

From reading the first page of the thread Brexit, for once some facts I do have an observation which might reflect upon comments of forum members not posting any more.

Trex was one from that page, and although I could be wrong, I thought that Trex was connected to Woosh, and was requested by them not to post any more. I never spotted the reason why, but liked Trex as a forum member and the advice that was so often offered.

The second was Flud, who I recall was driven away by the bullying and abuse that he received from d8veh and others, in respect of his opinion towards current UK pedelec law. Again, a forum member that I liked.

Not on the first page, but if d8ve was to be included, I thought that he left because he achieved what he wanted from his velomobile, and was moving on.

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I believe flud was threatened, post was removed. Can't remember by whom. Peter, OxygenJames, Tillson were also regular posters seen much less often now.(on that thread) There were others insulted etc etc.

 

[flecc]

I believe flud was threatened, post was removed. Can't remember by whom. Peter, OxygenJames, Tillson were also regular posters seen much less often now.(on that thread) There were others insulted etc etc.

Nothing can be inferred from such absences. For example there have been ten members with Peter as their primary name part but none of them post now, most departing long before brexit.

At least 90% of the members from the last twelve years of this forum no longer enter or very rarely do. In the main because they've no need to after putting in an inquiry on bike to buy or some repair advice. Some because they no longer e-bike, the driving licence losers prominent among them. And quite a few have died, unsurprising in such a late age forum.

It's only the real enthusiast e-bikers who stay through a deep interest in the subject, most buying an e-bike just get it to ride, not to talk about it.
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[Deleted member 22539]

However I am still baffled why anyone gets upset about the Brexit thread when it's not in an e-biking forum and there's no need to access it
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I don’t normally get to involved in this stuff But
when you acccess the forum via new posts as you suggested you do in my thread about questions in the wrong place , what comes up first and every single day I come on here ? You guessed it
So I might not access it but it’s in your face every single time
So I have looked at the thread curiosity dictates it as a human being and I seriously think that the main posters should take a good hard look at themselves as there making no contributions to the Pedelecs forum at all and as already said there just using the place as there sounding post ,
there also at the top end of the saying keyboard warriors as that’s all they amount to , if they were posting equally elsewhere in the forum and contributing with advice and opinions on Pedelecs I wouldn’t have so much of a problem but they don’t , they come on here to bitch and moan about stuff that has no business being on this forum in the first place
I would suggest to them (not that they ever look anywhere else) that they start up a Facebook page and infect that with there dribble instead .
You also say that the brexit thread isn’t in an ebiking forum , I’m afraid this is an ebike forum as a whole otherwise I think I have the wrong address in my address bar .

 

[flecc]

as already said there just using the place as there sounding post ,

they come on here to bitch and moan about stuff that has no business being on this forum in the first place

You also say that the brexit thread isn’t in an ebiking forum , I’m afraid this is an ebike forum as a whole otherwise I think I have the wrong address in my address bar .

It's not uncommon for specialist sites to have a forum for subjects unconnected with the specialism. The computer site I advised on for years which was a huge site compared to this had such a forum that was used for all manner of dissociated things. I even published a short story in there which to my great surprise was very successful, despite having an overtly political controversial nature.

So it was not a computer forum as a whole, nor is this an e-bike forum as a whole since The Charging Post is clearly stated to be not one. So I see your saying that there are posts in the Charging Post that have no business in the forum as wrong, since it's clearly for any other subject.

Of course people take a look at the Brexit thread to see what it's about, just as you did, but if not liked there's no compulsion to ever enter it again. There are e-bike subjects and indeed whole areas of this site I don't like so I don't enter there. Their presence doesn't cause me any distress since I don't see them. I certainly wouldn't complain about them or want them removed, even though I would prefer they weren't here in some cases and are blatantly illegal anyway.
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[HelenJ]

It’s a slippery slope for us to start curtailing free speech by limiting which subjects can and can’t be discussed.

For anyone that hasn’t run a forum, it may not be obvious that free speech - members being able to post their opinions/personal experiences/views on a forum and those posts remaining published - sometimes has to be defended. That can escalate to the world of lawyers. In all my years being an admin for different forums - this one and a previous role - those complaints rarely cross a legal line with (albeit dressed up): ‘I don’t like/I don’t agree with’ being a common starting point in an admin inbox. That isn’t something I’m mentioning to discuss further, just to demonstrate the other side of this that has shaped how we do things; generally speaking we’ll spend more time defending free speech than wading in telling people what they can and can’t post.

We clearly label discussion areas so visitors know what to expect from each section.

Brexit as a discussion is unlikely to go away anytime soon. As Flecc has said if we were to close this thread I would place my bets on another being started or that discussion drifting into the main e-bike categories. For as long as people are replying to that thread I can only assume there continues to be some interest? Members can be ignored and we could look to see if an ‘ignore thread’ add on could be installed if members would find that useful?

Personal insults aren’t helpful; we particularly ask that members are respectful towards each other and we do edit strong language when reported. Again we operate a light touch re banter but won’t be able to please everybody on that one. (General note: we are an unmoderated forum, the report function will notify us of complaints.)

 

[Woosh]

So I have looked at the thread curiosity dictates it as a human being and I seriously think that the main posters should take a good hard look at themselves as there making no contributions to the Pedelecs forum at all and as already said there just using the place as there sounding post ,

If you don't like the post, just stick a dislike on it.
If 100 members feel and do same, the poster will soon get the message.

 

[flecc]

If you don't like the post, just stick a dislike on it.
If 100 members feel and do same, the poster will soon get the message.

I doubt there'd be 100 members to do that, it's only a tiny coterie who are complaining about the Brexit thread, maybe a dozen in all.

Most members sensibly ignore threads they don't like, just like I do.
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[Deleted member 22539]

So I see your saying that there are posts in the Charging Post that have no business in the forum as wrong, since it's clearly for any other subject.
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Religion or politics has no business here or on any forum it’s personal views that should be kept so
All it does is create Bad feelings, bullying and abuse and in the case of religion 99 percent of wars round the world

It doesn’t matter if you like it or not
it should be band

And just as a final
These threads say it all
Everyone having fun are they

 

[flecc]

Religion or politics has no business here or on any forum it’s personal views that should be kept so

I disagree. Banning personal views! We wouldn't even be able to advise someone on a e-bike to buy!

Your dislike of the Brexit thread, like that of some others, seems to be centred on the political views of two members in particular.

Simple answer:

Hover over your forum name in the top bar, and on the right hand of the two columns that appear, click on the "People you ignore" item.

Enter a person's name exactly as it appears in the forum and when the confirmation of the forum name appears below, click on that, then on Save. You can do that with others too.

From then on their posts will not appear to you, even if entering the Brexit thread. In effect as far as you are concerned they will no longer be posting members.
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[LeighPing]

From then on their posts will not appear to you, even if entering the Brexit thread. In effect as far as you are concerned they will no longer be posting members.

But then you wouldn't be able to see their opinions on matters that they deem to be of importance to the rest of us.

 

[shemozzle999]

It’s a slippery slope for us to start curtailing free speech by limiting which subjects can and can’t be discussed.

For anyone that hasn’t run a forum, it may not be obvious that free speech - members being able to post their opinions/personal experiences/views on a forum and those posts remaining published - sometimes has to be defended. That can escalate to the world of lawyers. In all my years being an admin for different forums - this one and a previous role - those complaints rarely cross a legal line with (albeit dressed up): ‘I don’t like/I don’t agree with’ being a common starting point in an admin inbox. That isn’t something I’m mentioning to discuss further, just to demonstrate the other side of this that has shaped how we do things; generally speaking we’ll spend more time defending free speech than wading in telling people what they can and can’t post.

We clearly label discussion areas so visitors know what to expect from each section.

Brexit as a discussion is unlikely to go away anytime soon. As Flecc has said if we were to close this thread I would place my bets on another being started or that discussion drifting into the main e-bike categories. For as long as people are replying to that thread I can only assume there continues to be some interest? Members can be ignored and we could look to see if an ‘ignore thread’ add on could be installed if members would find that useful?

Personal insults aren’t helpful; we particularly ask that members are respectful towards each other and we do edit strong language when reported. Again we operate a light touch re banter but won’t be able to please everybody on that one. (General note: we are an unmoderated forum, the report function will notify us of complaints.)

+1 for filtering out the Charging Post from Forum - Recent Posts and Members - Recent Activity as it does not stop postings and speeds up navigation around the forum for those only interested in electric bicycles.

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[tommie]

It’s a slippery slope for us to start curtailing free speech by limiting which subjects can and can’t be discussed.

NOT a good start Helen.

You call that intimidating, rude, offensive daily diatribe on the Brexit thread `free speech`??????

Everyone is for `free speech` but you`ll have to realise free speech has boundaries and limitations that if crossed these days can get forum owners into serious trouble, gone are the days where you can say anything about anybody, it`s about time you got up to speed on this.

By the way what is Nimbus Hosting`s guide lines on such content??

 

[Woosh]

Everyone is for `free speech` but you`ll have to realise free speech has boundaries and limitations

agreed.

 

[LeighPing]

Everyone is for `free speech` but you`ll have to realise free speech has boundaries and limitations

Whose opinion decides where those boundaries and limitations should lie? For instance, should the discussion of ebike legality be a boundary to free speech?

 

[flecc]

Whose opinion decides where those boundaries and limitations should lie? For instance, should the discussion of ebike legality be a boundary to free speech?

That's the problem in a nutshell, as I've already commented elswhere. Where does it stop?

First the Charging Post has to go since it's not about e-biking. Then others want the High Speed forum removed since they aren't legal in the UK and this is a UK site.

Then all posts in other forums about departing from the e-bike law have to be removed by moderation.

Then others object to the subjects that make pedelecing seem much more complicated than it is since it puts off newcomers.

Yet more will only want posts to be about e-bikes and not peripheral things like driver behaviour, cameras, Strava and the like.

At the end there wouldn't be a forum left if we pleased all those who want to censor.
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[Deleted member 22539]

I disagree. Banning personal views! We wouldn't even be able to advise someone on a e-bike to buy!


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Now your just being stupid
The subjects of politics and religion I said

Or shall I start a thread on racism next see how that goes
There’s boundaries you shouldn’t cross end of especially on public forums

 

[flecc]

Now your just being stupid

Thanks. How about we ban your offensive posts?
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[HelenJ]

The subjects of politics and religion I said

But that's just your view.. others will have theirs (and history tells me they do!)

There should now be an 'ignore forum' option showing just above where the Charging Post threads start:
http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/forums/the-charging-post.10/

To undo that, there should be a link at the bottom of the central discussion panel on the main forum index page to show the ignored content. (Update: Controlling this is also possible from the 'Forums' pull down menu.)


Similarly there is an ignore thread option at the top of individual threads too, hopefully showing for all, e.g. http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/brexit-for-once-some-facts.24369/

Please let us know if you have any problems.

 

[Deleted member 22539]

Thanks. How about we ban your offensive posts?
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How about we do
did it hurt your feelings bless
If you think stupid is offensive come and meet me in person
Aren’t you the one pushing freedom of speech or is that only when it suits you ??
Double standards spring to mind