What Is The Main Purpose Of Pedelecs ?

[HelenJ]

Think it’s approaching time out on this one (just some of the comments) please. Re: some of the other parts of this discussion, in the main we’ve never felt that we wanted to tell people what to discuss or what not to discuss for that matter - we just clearly head sections up so that hopefully discussions start in the right places and visitors just look at whichever sections interest them.

 

[Deleted member 22539]

Think it’s approaching time out on this one please.

It was the threat of porn wasn’t it
Lol

 

[RobF]

Prompted by this thread, I've just taken a rare look at the Brexit thread.

At best, it's mis-titled - there's no facts I can see.

All it amounts to is an avalanche of sour, political invective by two members who appear to have little else to do in their lives.

Few people will be fooled and will see the thread for what it's worth, which is nothing.

In that respect it's harmless, but the concern for management should be that some members may see it as off-putting.

I'm not keen to be in any way associated with it.

Thus management must judge if the benefit of a busy thread outweighs the negative general impression it gives of the forum as a whole.

 

[tommie]

All it amounts to is an avalanche of sour, political invective by two members who appear to have little else to do in their lives.

Few people will be fooled and will see the thread for what it's worth, which is nothing.

Nail On Head!

 

[Woosh]

Prompted by this thread, I've just taken a rare look at the Brexit thread.

At best, it's mis-titled - there's no facts I can see.

it is surprisingly reflecting the public brexit debate in the MSN out there.
Before the vote, both sides had about the same number of combattants, all the way up to last year general election. Since, brexit becomes more tangible and more complex, brexiters have slowly but steadily gone on the defence, remainers on the offence in the MSM. Pedelecs combattants like you, d8veh, georgew have stopped posting. However, besides OT's rants, readers can still get practically all the factual data about brexit and newspapers headlines repeated there.

 

[RobF]

it is surprisingly reflecting the public brexit debate in the MSN out there.
Before the vote, both sides had about the same number of combattants, all the way up to last year general election. Since, brexit becomes more tangible and more complex, brexiters have slowly but steadily gone on the defence, remainers on the offence in the MSM. Pedelecs combattants like you, d8veh, georgew have stopped posting. However, besides OT's rants, readers can still get practically all the factual data about brexit and newspapers headlines repeated there.

Your contributions are reasonable enough, but I think you need to take a look at the more recent efforts of the two main posters.

They are sour, nasty, often off-topic, entirely negative, and oh so predictable.

It may not always have been so, if I recall the thread began life as a genuine enough examination of the case for both sides.

I think both of the posters have passed the point of taking liberties.

They are using Pedelecs purely to grind a political and social axe, and as d8 has identified, they are posting far too much.

That thread has gone way past an off-topic discussion among those otherwise united by a common interest in a hobby.

If the forum admin is content to be used in that way, so be it.

It's not my idea of fair usage of this resource.

And to answer this OP's question, it is definitely not what Pedelecs is for.

 

[flecc]

Prompted by this thread, I've just taken a rare look at the Brexit thread.

At best, it's mis-titled - there's no facts I can see.

Wrong. As the author of that that thread I titled it correctly, since it merely linked a radio program giving the facts of Switzerland's relationship with the EU.

Here's the link to my thread giving access to the program which is still available to hear those facts.

When posting that thread there was another Brexit discussion in full swing and I had no idea that this thread would take over instead. It certainly wasn't my intention and it really wasn't an appropriate thread for opinions instead of the facts the opening post mentioned.

Still, we are where we are and even if it's shut down it will only re-open elswhere in the Charging Post, or worse still keep butting in within the main forum. Give the Brexit thread contributors their due, they don't bring it into the 20 e-biking forums. It's the people who hate the Brexit thread who keep irrationally doing that. So who's the daft ones?
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[RobF]

You are kidding yourself if you think that thread is now anything to do with facts.

 

[flecc]

You are kidding yourself if you think that thread is now anything to do with facts.

Didn't you bother to read what I've just posted?

I just made it clear that I don't believe that with this line!!!!!!!

"it really wasn't an appropriate thread for opinions"

You said it was mis-titled, it wasn't. The thread titled as being for facts was misused by members not posting facts but opinions instead

The only reason I posted it separately was that the main Brexit thread was going through pages so fast, this useful and factual program link wouldn't have been seen by most if I posted it in there.
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[tommie]

stop obfuscating flecc,

it`s as clear as day the quite legitimate subject of `Brexit` has now become a vehicle for insulting and degrading anyone or anything with an alternative viewpoint.

The following is taken from one of if not the largest Forum in Ireland (Boards.ie), i would suggest this forum would do well to implement it, especially the lined passages.

"We expect you to act responsibly in posting Material. You agree, through use of this service, NOT to:

• post illegal Material
• treat others with disrespect
• defame, abuse, harass, stalk, threaten or otherwise violate the rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others
• identify or speculate as to the identity of any anonymous or pseudonymous user
• attempt to solicit information from any other user under false pretences, for example by attempting phishing-like attacks
• attempt to solicit personal information from anyone under 18harm minors in any way
• solicit passwords or personally identifying information for commercial or unlawful purposes
• collect or store other users' personal data without their consent
• attempt to gain unauthorised access to the boards.ie administrative areas or interface, to user accounts, computer systems or networks connected to the Boards.ie site, through password mining or any other means
• post irrelevant Material, repeatedly post the same or similar Material or otherwise impose an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the boards.ie servers or infrastructure
• post any unsolicited or unauthorised advertising, promotional content, 'junk mail', 'spam', 'chain letters', 'pyramid schemes', or any other form of commercial publicity
• 
  post any abusive, harmful, vulgar, obscene, sexually explicit, indecent, profane, inappropriate, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable Material, except where the content is appropriate to the content of the forum and you have been granted specific permission to do so and subject to our guidelines on said content"

 

[flecc]

stop obfuscating flecc,

How about you stop being offensive Tommie?

I've just made it abundantly clear that I recognise the posts added to my thread entry about a factual radio program are inappropriate and shouldn't be there.

That is not obfuscation.

If you use the link I posted to my thread entry, you'd see this that I posted:

"Because such evidence is so scarce I'm posting it as a separate thread from the EU debate one so that everyone gets a chance to hear it."

That alone should have made it clear that it wasn't a replacement for the original thread, it was just giving access to the radio program.
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[Zlatan]

it is surprisingly reflecting the public brexit debate in the MSN out there.
Before the vote, both sides had about the same number of combattants, all the way up to last year general election. Since, brexit becomes more tangible and more complex, brexiters have slowly but steadily gone on the defence, remainers on the offence in the MSM. Pedelecs combattants like you, d8veh, georgew have stopped posting. However, besides OT's rants, readers can still get practically all the factual data about brexit and newspapers headlines repeated there.

No it does not reflect public debate. The remaining remainers have shouted down the leavers who used to contribute and have had praise and support for doing so. There is a list of at least 5 leavers who simply got fed up been called xenophobic, racist, trolls or whatever. They speak about freespeech in thread but make sure others do not receive it. Over the months the patience you (Woosh) have shown under severe provocation is exemplary but ultimately misplaced.
Totally agree with recent posts pointing out what some have been saying, and been insulted for doing so, for weeks. Thread should be closed.
And, I, m afraid fleck has become part of problem. I had a moan about fact leavers are all labelled racists in thread, flec obviously sees that as case and fails to criticise offenders for stating so, yet look how quick he defends the indefensible. Dual standards flec.

 

[flecc]

I had a moan about fact leavers are all labelled racists in thread, flec obviously sees that as case and fails to criticise offenders for stating so, yet look how quick he defends the indefensible. Dual standards flec.

Yes I do agree that's the case in your first line.

I'm not admin and it's not for me to criticise inappropriate posts. Members of this forums site are mature enough to make up their own minds about that. I have however posted repeatedly, including just now, that the posts are inappropriate and also unsuited to the thread title.

So no dual standards and in no way defending the indefensible. I would have hoped and preferred that no posts had ever been added to my thread advising about the radio program. It in no way invited responses, it was clearly only informative. Members should have stayed with the existing Brexit debate thread that was already well established in the Charging Post, and I don't see why I should be blamed for them not doing that and switching threads to a clearly unsuitable one.
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[Zlatan]

Yes I do agree that's the case in your first line.

I'm not admin and it's not for me to criticise inappropriate posts. Members of this forums site are mature enough to make up their own minds about that. I have however posted repeatedly, including just now, that the posts are inappropriate and also unsuited to the thread title.

So no dual standards and in no way defending the indefensible. I would have hoped and preferred that no posts had ever been added to my thread advising about the radio program. It in no way invited responses, it was clearly only informative. Members should have stayed with the existing Brexit debate thread that was already well established in the Charging Post, and I don't see why I should be blamed for them not doing that and switching threads to a clearly unsuitable one.
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I, m not blaming you at all. I certainly do think had you been as quick to criticise Tom's comments as those from leavers the thread would be a damned site healthier than it is a present. It's become an outpost for whatever Tom and OG have been reading day before.
I can't remember any negative comments from anyone but myself when Tom compared Queen to Myra Hindley. Thread should have been closed then. It's a disgrace and insults us all. BTW I, m not a Royalist by any means but by any code of decent behaviour Tom's posts are out of order, anywhere, let alone on Pedelec Forum.

 

[flecc]

I certainly do think had you been as quick to criticise Tom's comments as those from leavers the thread would be a damned site healthier than it is a present.

Two things.

Firstly as previously posted I'm not admin and it's not for me to police the site. I have however alerted admin from time to time about very inappropriate posts, and that is as far as an ordinary member should go.

Secondly I'm aware of how much criticism inflames situations and can provoke worse behaviour. Coincidentally I'm in a discussion concerning The Netherlands where they are famously tolerant for very good historical reasons. I favour their attitudes, especially in this context. This is a very mature forum with 80% of members in the second half of life and pedelecers under the age of 14 years barred by law.

It follows that no-one is likely to be wrongly influenced or perverted by the content. Members are perfectly capable of looking after themselves and I wouldn't presume to do that for them.
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[Zlatan]

Two things.

Firstly as previously posted I'm not admin and it's not for me to police the site. I have however alerted admin from time to time about very inappropriate posts, and that is as far as an ordinary member should go.

Secondly I'm aware of how much criticism inflames situations and can provoke worse behaviour. Coincidentally I'm in a discussion concerning The Netherlands where they are famously tolerant for very good historical reasons. I favour their attitudes, especially in this context. This is a very mature forum with 80% of members in the second half of life and pedelecers under the age of 14 years barred by law.

It follows that no-one is likely to be wrongly influenced or perverted by the content. Members are perfectly capable of looking after themselves and I wouldn't presume to do that for them.
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I, ll bet you dare not put it to a poll?
Should Brexit thread be closed?
Yes... No....
Or even
Does Brexit thread portray Pedelec users in a bad light?

The issue is not about perverting or misguiding youth or anyone. It's about putting people off posting and/or portraying this Forum poorly.
And actually you allowing forum to be (mis)used for an individuals purpose. ie)Tom's hijacking to promote left wing ideology.
Helen take a look at p1543. Posts 30850, 30852,30855, and 30859. Are you actually saying using the forum in this manner is acceptable.??
And to be fair they are very innocent in comparison with other offerings.
Perhaps it might be wise to at least put term Brexidiot on not allowed list as a token gesture.

 

[flecc]

I, ll bet you dare not put it to a poll?

I wouldn't object to a poll, why do you think I would? I'm all in favour of democracy, even in this country where intolerance too often rules. A poll would undoubtedly shut down that thread.

And actually you allowing forum to be (mis)used for an individuals purpose.

Again you are being unfair, it's not within my power to control what others post so I'm not allowing anything. The first I know of what is posted is when it appears, and I have no power to remove posts. Having tolerant attitudes isn't allowing when I have no control.

However I am still baffled why anyone gets upset about the Brexit thread when it's not in an e-biking forum and there's no need to access it. Pedelecs must be infested with masochistic people who access it just to upset themselves.

Perhaps best summed up as one set of intolerant bigots getting angry at another set of intolerant bigots?
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[Zlatan]

I wouldn't object to a poll, why do you think I would? I'm all in favour of democracy, even in this country where intolerance too often rules. A poll would undoubtedly shut down that thread.



Again you are being unfair, it's not within my power to control what others post so I'm not allowing anything. The first I know of what is posted is when it appears, and I have no power to remove posts. Having tolerant attitudes isn't allowing when I have no control.

However I am still baffled why anyone gets upset about the Brexit thread when it's not in an e-biking forum and there's no need to access it. Pedelecs must be infested with masochistic people who access it just to upset themselves.

Perhaps best summed up as one set of intolerant bigots getting angry at another set of intolerant bigots?
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Good points. Put it to a poll then. (OG will insist result is advisory either way)
And one set of intolerant bigots have stopped posting...

 

[EddiePJ]

From reading the first page of the thread Brexit, for once some facts I do have an observation which might reflect upon comments of forum members not posting any more.

Trex was one from that page, and although I could be wrong, I thought that Trex was connected to Woosh, and was requested by them not to post any more. I never spotted the reason why, but liked Trex as a forum member and the advice that was so often offered.

The second was Flud, who I recall was driven away by the bullying and abuse that he received from d8veh and others, in respect of his opinion towards current UK pedelec law. Again, a forum member that I liked.

Not on the first page, but if d8ve was to be included, I thought that he left because he achieved what he wanted from his velomobile, and was moving on.

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[daveboy]

Lets have a poll,but if it's 52% to 48% I think we should have another vote
once we know all the facts.