Video Editing Software for PC.

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Thanks, I will try in in my VM, just to see what its like.
It might even be quite stable in a VM, because the free version doesn't have any hardware acceleration. I'm trying VSDC out myself - only £23 for the Pro version... and it's renderer is a smidge faster than Adobe Premiere's
 

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So far I'm impressed with free VSDC's renderer - it's pretty nippy (H264 codec) despite not using much CPU (I'm running rather a lot of other programs at the same time). All cores of my i7 4790 are being utilised. Sony Vegas uses much more CPU plus GPU.

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H264 codec
Will it not allow GPU encoding? Rendering times on the gtx960 are amazing 5 mins ish 1080p 60fps 18-20Mbs bit rate for a 20 min video - TBF I only assume that's good because its 4 hours on the laptop until I found the limited hardware encoding option which reduced it down to 20 mins.

Still waiting on Dad he doesn't like win 11 and I don't blame him, whether or not he keeps going back to his win 8 laptop is another question, since I disabled Mcafee from doing a full HDD scan on boot it must be running like it's new. He's been a tad shady about it all or perhaps he's just been tight, he really doesn't like parting with anything he deems pricey, even if it's an 2013 laptop. :rolleyes:
 

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Will it not allow GPU encoding?
That'll cost ya! About £23 + VAT.

he doesn't like win 11 and I don't blame him
Microsoft look as though they've shot themselves in the foot yet again... but they don't care, because they now make far more money selling cloud services.

BTW graphics card prices have dropped substantially at webuy.com, and I'm tempted...
 
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and I'm tempted
ooh ikr... Tbf lower tier GPU prices haven't come down much, well GDDR6 1660 ti or 1070, no where near what I am thinking of paying... however, the 2GB 960 is £55 or £70 4GB I am not sure on the 2GB where encoding is concerned as it could be pot luck on the brand you would get but you would have 14 days right to return. My Asus strix 4GB has encoding, I see some of the cheap PCIe4 cards have limited or no encoding to save a buck. But I am sure most if not all GTX would have it.

A 960/970 or 1050 would be ok for video editing although 4GB would be best for any gaming my 960 does about 40FPS 1080p OC without blobbing itself.
 

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Tbf lower tier GPU prices haven't come down much, well GDDR6 1660 ti or 1070, no where near what I am thinking of paying...
They're only about £70 cheaper used! At least when you buy new, you can be sure they haven't been cooked/overclocked, and there's no need to take apart noisy clogged fans to clean and/or lubricate, or replace thermal paste between the GPUs and heatsinks.

The GPU crypto mining fever has largely abated (among enthusiasts), but graphics card prices are being kept disappointingly high.

Intel's cheaper-ish new Arc cards are highly unstable (awful drivers) and slow, for now.
 
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The GPU crypto mining fever has largely abated
I noticed, proof of stake with Ethereum. Haven't looked into the "summer 2022" release of Arc lmao... Webuy/Cex at least you get a 24 month warranty however in practice how that would work I haven't needed it with my I7 or the 8GB ddr3l I purchased they worked and still work today. As for their prices I think this 24 month warranty does encourage them to aim a tad higher on mark up to cover "RMA".

Funny I mentioned my dad's lappy and he rang to say I could have it now, he must be reading my posts!
 
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GDDR6 1660 ti
That's a good budget video editing card - I was about to buy the "Super" 6GB version, but suddenly had to buy a new cooker. I'll see how much they'll give me for several vertical mice: Evolients, Penguins and a couple of generics...
 
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Super, would be good for editing, but check the ti price, there was a 5er in it last time, however they both appear to have gone up a tenner. That laptop is not playing nice with Win 10 & to boot [pun intended] Acer have ended the win 10 hardware support for it this summer. Nice laptop otherwise, 1080p editing would be a dream but is it worth swapping out my daily use SSD or buying a 240GB SSD scrubber if I can't trust it security wise. A HDD will slow it down imo.

Aye, The total collapse of the system is upon us, companies are finding new ways to upset consumers, financial intuitions are competing to see who can get get bailed out first & the political elite are heading towards the asylum. Interesting time ahead & not necessarily good.
 
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you will have to pay for driver updates next you watch for gfx cards esp the hi end ones o_O
 
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Super, would be good for editing
I don't need fast editing at home, but I'd be interested if it didn't cost me anything. Ceramic built-in hob suddenly flared under the glass, went WHUMP! and smoke pushed out from underneath - lights went out as the the fusebox tripped, otherwise I would have bought one instead of a new hob. So far, I can sell Cex a phone, meeces - I'll root around several boxes of parts I hardly ever look at these days, but I think some very hard to source very old items would be more valuable on ebay, to people who need to keep extremely old hardware running for whatever reason.

That laptop is not playing nice with Win 10 & to boot [pun intended] Acer have ended the win 10 hardware support for it this summer. Nice laptop otherwise, 1080p editing would be a dream but is it worth swapping out my daily use SSD or buying a 240GB SSD scrubber if I can't trust it security wise. A HDD will slow it down imo.
Acer manufacture for many big brands. I'd throw on Win 7 for editing as a dual boot, it's lighter and might manage (slow) CPU only 1080p renderings - you can check viability by installing onto a cheapo cex mechanical hard drive (they always have bad sectors or are faulty in some other way, at least 5 in every 6 [this is true of the 3.5" versions]). You can buy Win7 serials from dead PCs on ebay for very little - avoid any which don't mail you the sticker. Digital River no longer have .ISO images, but they're out there somewhere.

is it worth swapping out my daily use SSD or buying a 240GB SSD scrubber if I can't trust it security wise. A HDD will slow it down imo.
I don't like SSDs yet - I expect hard drives to last for decades: Western Digital Black only. One 12+ year old WD Black died the other week, but it had been on pretty much continuously. Never again Seagate :eek: The nice thing about spinning discs, is if you keep your ears open they warn you for a few days before dying a death - I've RAID mirrored that data drive. That being said, one of my very old pre-SSD laptops still runs quite happily on a CF card through an IDE converter. Better battery life, faster boot, lighter laptop.
 
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pay for driver updates
Haha don't give em ideas, subscription model for driver updates sounds like a 3 point plan in a board room somewhere.

I don't like SSDs yet
Sadly I would say you are missing out I love for slower CPUs, until I used my dads old laptop I had forgot how loud HDD are. I use 2x SSD in my I7 boot and game, 2x HDD for video file/ISO storage, tbf they hardly get used and they are buried so deep in the Corsair 4000D I never hear em.

I think I might use win 10 un-activated and try Shotcut with the HDD that's in it, (1TB) just for shotcut and if it goes well as an editing rig I will pony up for an SSD, I can always repurpose it if the need arises.
 

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The free version of VSDC has a lot of features, including 4k output:
It worked well enough in my VM, maybe a bit slow exporting a file, but the interface was responsive and stable.

It appears to do the edit job quite well, and unlike the Microsoft freebie, you can step back and forth a frame at a time.

When exporting it did say I was using a 'premium feature' (Hardware acceleration) but could carry on without this OK.

Basic editing seems OK, and it appears the program is only £22 to buy, which if my initial look at it is anything to go by, seems good value for a basic editor.

Good find.
 
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600?!?! You'll regret revealing that - I now know who to PM when Windows plays up...
The site had some 5000+ PCs too, but those were looked after by a seperate desktop team.

Besides, in the area of desktop support in large organisations, its often the case that the real skills are with the guys who produce the default desktop images, its rare that you would really try to 'fix' something.

I did look after a developers network of around 250 PCs, plus the servers, comms and firewalls. If there was an issue with a desktop, we would rarely spend more than 15 minutes trying to 'fix' it, especially as the developers would have been installing all sorts of software. So if you could not 'fix' a problem in 15 minutes, the PC would be re-imaged back to a standard build. With the developers time costing the customer circa £1000 per day, this cut your losses approach made a lot of sense.

I am forever Googling to fix problems and sort Windows, especially 10, which gets up to all sorts of stuff you dont want, accessing the Internet all the time etc. I just wish Microsoft would have built into windows a simple 'stop the C**P' setting.
 
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'stop the C**P' setting.
Amen, I seem to forget how annoying MS is until I do a clean install and it's also amazing to see a browser without any cookies to suggest stuff before I type it.

Here's a quick question to anyone, if my laptop (Acer) ended the hardware support as mentioned summer 22, how unsecure would windows 10 be even though windows 10 would still be updated? In terms of online shopping, checking bank balances etc.

Windows 10 activated on the win 8.1 machine without the need for a purchase key now I wish to migrate the SSD from an up-to-date hardware/software machine. With the EOL of the hardware is it worth giving up me daily driver. I can't shake the feeling that two laptops on the go is too much tech/clutter ideology - Any suggestions
 

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it depends on what build of win 10 you have.
 

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depends on what build of win 10
Latest build, clean install & full update yesterday - It's not the software I am concerned about, it's the hardware, the last CPU etc patch will last for a few months I guess but after that they are not actively patching the hardware (AMD A series) - I would akin it to an old mobile, great for Photos, internet searches and calls but not banking or payment apps. However this means having two laptops floating around the living room gathering dust.

I see my choices ~ risk it & use as daily driver ~ or use two laptops. 1st world problem I guess.
 

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Any suggestions
Not really.

Win10, latest version stuff, was completly useless on my desktop. This was a fresh build onto a blank SSD. The previous OS had been Win7, also on an SSD.

I do a fair bit of Arduino stuff and the performance of the Win10 build was horrendous compared to the Win7 build. Loading programs and compiling programs was around 3 times slower. programs other than Arduino were very slow too.

So I abandoned the Win10 and went for a fresh Win8 install and that has heaps better performance than the Win10 and very similar to the Win7.

So something in Win10 does not like my hardware, maybe MS screwed up the board level drivers, not a lot you can do about that. Or perhaps hidden in the depths of Win10 is a tick box called 'Run 3 times slower Y\N'

I know Win8 won't have security updates beyone 2022, so the choices, if I want to change Windows OS from Win8 would appear to be;

1. Try a Win11 install.
2. Buy a new motherboard, memory and processor, with no gaurantee the performance will be better.

I do have a HP ZBook 15 with 24GB memory and SSD (in VGood condition, 2nd hand for £225 on eBay), that runs Win10 and the performance is just fine, around as good as the desktop on Win8.
 
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It worked well enough in my VM, maybe a bit slow exporting a file, but the interface was responsive and stable.

It appears to do the edit job quite well, and unlike the Microsoft freebie, you can step back and forth a frame at a time.

When exporting it did say I was using a 'premium feature' (Hardware acceleration) but could carry on without this OK.

Basic editing seems OK, and it appears the program is only £22 to buy, which if my initial look at it is anything to go by, seems good value for a basic editor.

Good find.
Although I'm addicted to the absurdly easy to use Sony Vegas, free VSDC can stick around for sure - lots of features are hidden away it's interface. I may buy the hardware accelerated full version, also for (overkill for cycling cam vids) effects Vegas doesn't have.
 
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