will summarise my position in the hope you can see where I’m coming from, because as much as I do like a good forum debate, we are going round in circles now a bit, and my dinner is nearly ready J
You said this:
I repeat, the frame failure rates on very light road bikes are far, far higher than on any other type of bike.
and this
Other types of bike like MTBs, mountain bikes and utility bikes don't suffer the frame failure rate of the lightest road bikes. Clearly their weight saving measures are not pushed to the low level of safety margin that road bike frames are in order to minimise weight.
which just simply aren’t true, and that’s what I was trying to say. Both those statements are incorrect. They might be your opinion, but your wrong. Just like it could be my opinion that the world is flat, but I’d be wrong.
However you’ve now changed your stance, and are saying something that I and I’m sure no one else could argue with.
Col, I don't wish to know what is clearly wrong. When road cyclists, including commuters, who have suffered more than one breakage on light road bike frames, solve their problem by switching to other types of heavier frame for that same use, that is clearly in conflict with what you appear to be insisting.
this is of course correct…. If some buys a heavier / stronger / better bike its of course going to last longer.
So now we can agree I hope J
I’ll make a comment about lightweight eBikes.
I think that eBikes will get down to a certain weight maybe 18-19kg ish and then not go much lighter, once they get to that weight people seem to be pretty happy with them and they can be reliable and not puncture on every hole in the road etc etc. What I think will happen is that the range will keep going up for a given bike weight. The push seems to be getting more miles per kg rather than just getting lighter for the sake of it.
I can’t see the point of a eRoad race bike. Road bikes roll so quick and the tyres are so thin that slapping a e onto it just kills the point. Far better to have something a bit more stable and capable of handling the forces and knocks and gives a range that can go as far and as fast as a road bike.
Cheers
Col