Two boys die in "ebike" accident: Cardiff riot broke out after 'police prevented parents seeing fatal crash victims', close relative says

Cardiff riot broke out after 'police prevented parents seeing fatal crash victims', close relative says

Fireworks and other missiles were thrown at a line of police officers with riot shields who were blocking one end of the street during the disorder on Monday night.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65677472

 

https://news.sky.com/story/cardiff-police-car-damaged-and-fireworks-thrown-at-officers-in-large-scale-disorder-which-broke-out-at-crash-scene-12887256

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12114697/Pictured-Two-teenage-boys-died-e-scooter-tragedy-sparked-Cardiff-riots.html

Edited May 23, 20232 yr by guerney

"Friends of the two boys, who were from the Ely area, said they were riding a Sur-Ron electric bike without helmets when they died."

 

https://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/23541608.tributes-paid-teenagers-whose-deaths-led-cardiff-riot/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/23/social-media-rumours-about-car-crash-triggered-cardiff-riots-says-police-chief

 

 

" Alun Michael, the Police and Crime Commissioner in South Wales, told BBC Radio 4: “My understanding is that there was a road traffic accident involving two teenagers on an off-road bike or scooter and sadly, they died."

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/cardiff-riot-ely-youtube-south-wales-police-snowden-road-crash-b1082972.html

Edited May 23, 20232 yr by guerney

I feel sad for the families of the two lads.

 

The media reporting what are electric motorbikes as ' e-bikes ' doesn't help the reputation of law abiding legally riding pedelecers

CCTV 'shows police van following boys on e-bike minutes before fatal crash that sparked Cardiff riots' - after force disputed claims that the death of two teenagers in 'chase' was to blame

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12115983/CCTV-shows-police-van-following-boys-e-bike-fatal-crash-sparked-Cardiff-riots.html

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65687785

Edited May 23, 20232 yr by guerney

Cardiff riot: Police force refers itself to watchdog as CCTV shows van following e-bike before fatal crash

A riot erupted last night in the city after Kyrees Sullivan, 16, and 15-year-old Harvey Evans, who were riding an electric bike, died in a crash.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/cardiff-riot-cctv-shows-police-following-electric-bike-before-fatal-crash-as-force-refers-itself-to-watchdog-for-probe-12887810

Looks like the police were chasing them, but denied they were chasing them. Typical fudging of the truth by the law. How many times do we see that.

 

Condolences for the families of all concerned. A couple of scallywags it appears, but who wasnt at that age.

Yes, there is clear door bell cam footage on BBC showing the cops following behind the two boys at speed shortly before the crash.

 

Yet again moron cops have tried to lie as they know they're not allowed to follow in that manner...and then their moron bosses spew the lies in the the public domain to try and cover their backs.

 

Doesn't matter though if you're a bent copper and have lied, won't even get a slap on the wrists.

 

I don't really get the local chavs though, you don't crap on your own doorstep but they did...they deserve what they get...

Yet again moron cops have tried to lie as they know they're not allowed to follow in that manner...

 

So if the Police see someone in\on what appears to be an illegal vehicle, they are not allowed to follow ?

 

Of course we dont yet know why the riders were being followed in the first place, maybe something of interest happened earlier ?

Edited May 23, 20232 yr by StuartsProjects

Looks like the police were chasing them, but denied they were chasing them. Typical fudging of the truth by the law. How many times do we see that.

 

That is odd yes.

 

These days, with so much video being recorded, just about everywhere, even on urban streets, the Police would know that thay could not cover up a 'chase' for for very long.

Cardiff riots: Police assess CCTV footage of van following electric bike

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-65687785

 

Edited May 23, 20232 yr by guerney

So if the Police see someone in\on what appears to be an illegal vehicle, they are not allowed to follow ?

 

Of course we don't yet know why the riders were being followed in the first place, maybe something of interest happened earlier ?

 

Policy differs around the UK but my understanding is that cops are mostly told not to chase motorised bikes if driver(s) are not wearing helmets as 'life' in a civil society is supposed to trump a charge sheet.

 

Yes we don't fully know what they were up to before the cops trailed them but most likely to be the fact that it's two kids with no helmets riding a powerful ebike that could be stolen.

 

Whoever owns the bike and let the kids ride it especially with no helmets has questions to answer.

 

Why do they need more CCTV footage when there were two officers in the van at the time....they cannot take the word of their own officers...that is shocking.

 

It looks like they lost control and went on to the bus head-on. I feel for the families/friends.

Was it a chase or were the police just following waiting for the ebike to stop. What was the legality of the ebike? I personally think the police have the right to stop anyone that they think is riding illegally. Was the bike designed for two passengers? What was its assisted speed? It's a no win for the police, if they do nothing they are criticised and if they do something and it leads to an accident they are blamed too. Personally I'd just shoot the rioters I don't think we should tolerate that at all and every rioter is pure scum in my opinion. I class them the same as looters. Surely the blame for this is lack of control by one of the boys and if they thought they were being chased by the police they should have stopped.

plod cant force ppl on motor bikes off the road unless they have crash helmets so they was running for something else.

 

they either crashed or plod went right up there ass but with no splat hats on a bike like that that can hit 60mph+ 50-60kg and accelerate faster than a car you die.

 

and how can they afford a 10k bike says it all

Was it a chase or were the police just following waiting for the ebike to stop. What was the legality of the ebike? I personally think the police have the right to stop anyone that they think is riding illegally. Was the bike designed for two passengers? What was its assisted speed? It's a no win for the police, if they do nothing they are criticised and if they do something and it leads to an accident they are blamed too. Personally I'd just shoot the rioters I don't think we should tolerate that at all and every rioter is pure scum in my opinion. I class them the same as looters. Surely the blame for this is lack of control by one of the boys and if they thought they were being chased by the police they should have stopped.

Strange how rioters can pull out balacalavas from their fashion accessories so easily? Last one I had was 60 years ago knitted by my mother to go to school !!

what appears to be an illegal vehicle

Why interject something you have no knowledge of ?

 

and how can they afford a 10k bike says it all

£4k. You just making the figures up.

You are a Cardiff police officer and I claim my 5 pounds.

 

"Riding Illegally"

Oh, not like anyone here has ever done that. Derestrrict much eh ?.

Edited May 24, 20232 yr by AndyBike

Why interject something you have no knowledge of ?

 

 

£4k. You just making the figures up.

You are a Cardiff police officer and I claim my 5 pounds.

 

"Riding Illegally"

Oh, not like anyone here has ever done that. Derestrrict much eh ?.

 

I'd be very surprised if it was legal. It's a pre-built ebike and clearly they aren't peddling its going at a high speed. It's been stated it is a Sur Ron ebike and looks to be an off-road model. These kids had no regard for the safety of others and the bike I guess would have been confiscated and crushed if they were caught which probably motivated them to not stop for the police. Yes there is a small chance the ebike was legal but that seems an extremely unlikely stretch based on its design and the speed it was going without pedaling.

 

https://surron.co.uk/pages/surron-bike-availability

Why interject something you have no knowledge of ?

 

I actually asked a question, the full text of which was;

 

"So if the Police see someone in\on what appears to be an illegal vehicle, they are not allowed to follow ?

 

I have no idea if the bike in the video was legal or not, but clearly its relavent to know what the Police are able to do if they think it might be.

I have no idea if the bike in the video was legal or not, but clearly its relavent to know what the Police are able to do if they think it might be.

the bike does not appear to be road legal. Still, the police should have explained that they were following the boys, they did not contest the CCTV video we have all seen. Instead, they insisted that none of their cars/vans are in the road where the accident happened. Even if they had no part in the accident itself, that is not good communication.

Why nobody asks the bus driver what happened?

Yes, there is clear door bell cam footage on BBC showing the cops following behind the two boys at speed shortly before the crash.

 

Yet again moron cops have tried to lie as they know they're not allowed to follow in that manner...and then their moron bosses spew the lies in the the public domain to try and cover their backs.

 

Doesn't matter though if you're a bent copper and have lied, won't even get a slap on the wrists.

 

I don't really get the local chavs though, you don't crap on your own doorstep but they did...they deserve what they get...

 

I agree, typical police behavior

We are all making comments without knowing all the facts here – that happens but why is there so much vitriol against the police without the facts? I am sure there must be serving / retired officers who are members of this forum and they would be dismayed by some of the comments. We ask these people to police society for us but tie one hand behind their back. I am not / never have been / never will be a police officer but I feel comments on police behaviour should be kept to yourselves until the facts are known, AND I do accept that not every officer is squeaky clean and neither are we.

but why is there so much vitriol against the police without the facts?

Because they appear to be lying. Something they are well versed in.

They put out an unsubstantiated statement and in most cases usually at odds with the truth that later comes out. They post this to the media and allow them to run with it.

First statement was not only was there no chase, but there were no police vehicles in the area at the time. Video comes out from someones cctv and oh look, there IS a police vehicle not only int he area, but following closely and at speed the ebike in question.

 

Their latest statement is that there was no police vehicle int he road the accident took place. So going from their earlier falsehood, its likely that the bike turned a corner or such into the path of another vehicle where the accident took place. Teh police following behind THEN turned into the same road and came across the accident. So mincing words that there was no police vehicle in the same road as the accident is strictly true, but highly misleading.

 

All police vehicles have forward facing cameras. so they have the footage of them following the bike and of the accident, but that footage will never ever

be released to the public because it will likely show them following the bike and the accident, which would be at odds to the truth of the scene.

 

Remember the Jean charlies de Menedez shooting ?.

The police statment they immediately put out as reported by their officers, was that Mr De Menedez was wearing a bulky jacket which made the officers suspect there was a tangible explosive device hidden underneath it.

They further stated that Mr De Menedez ran into the station and vaulted the barrier.

The truth came out later and showed that the statement they released to the press was a complete and utter fabrication.

Mr De Menedez was wearing a thin denim jacket over a t-shirt. He didn't run into the station but walked, he only ran when on the actual platform to get onto the train, and he didn't vault the barrier but instead used his oyster card to pay his fare, he also stopped to buy a newspaper.

 

Everything the police said and reported to the media was a lie. Only the police knew the facts and only the police were able to report what had happened.

 

And then we have James Ashley

" The Kent inquiry concluded that the basis for the raid was "not merely exaggerated, it was indeterminably false" and that the officers involved in its planning had "concocted" the evidence or planned to misrepresent it to justify the operation. "

" But the friend said: 'The reason why the police wasn't on the scene is because the boys have gone through a blocked street and the police knew they couldn't go that way so they have turned onto Grand Avenue, which led the boys to cut through onto Stanway Road onto Snowden Road.

'The police have already stated they were on Grand Avenue and they were not on the scene. They weren't on the scene because they lost them.' "

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12119607/Two-teens-died-e-bike-crash-sparked-riots-got-away-police-taking-shortcut.html

The police have already stated they were on Grand Avenue and they were not on the scene. They weren't on the scene because they lost them.' "

So despite their earlier statement ,they were in fact chasing them.

" A bike could have weaved through a pedestrian access point next to the bollards and then been driven then down a short stretch of hill on to Snowden Road. The bike crashed into a lamp post around 100 metres from the bollards.

Police have not given details of the route the boys took. "

 

 

Commissioner concedes Cardiff police may have chased boys before deaths

Alun Michael refuses to say he was wrong to initially claim no pursuit took place before fatal crash that sparked riots

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/may/24/cardiff-riots-police-commissioner-alun-michael-chase-boys-deaths

" A police officer had a grudge against the two teenagers killed in a scooter crash before the Cardiff riots - and had previously tried to "run them off the road", a friend claimed. "

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/police-officer-had-grudge-against-30061951