Two boys die in "ebike" accident: Cardiff riot broke out after 'police prevented parents seeing fatal crash victims', close relative says
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Did one of the boys live on Snowden Road? I think they would have had to dismount to get around the barrier at Stanway Road, because those bollards are fenced off apart from a small aperture... they then would have had to get settled again after getting back on the bike, and quickly. Looking at the videos, they were taking turns sharing one pair of footrests, swapping over by some arrangement - they lost balance after mounting the pavement at high speed, slightly downhill on Snowden Road?
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It was the Eye Of Sauron:
I think it likely the founders of Sur-Ron in 2014 were Lord Of The Rings fans. "One ebike to rule them all" would have been too obvious a tagline?
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Rutter was aged 51 in 2019 - I'd worry my reactions would now be too slow for motorbikes now tbh.
you will get kom on that round tesco
Well it has a number plate on it legally hired to me so cops would eventually work out how to trace it back to me. You would hope....
Apparently cops are running 'secret' trials of ChatGPT to see if it could 'assist' with illiterate morons writing out tickets/statements without blowing the whole case because, um, they are stupid.
Lawyer in US already been busted for doing similar with case citations that were made up by the bot...
Where will it end......?
I'm currently side-programming my ChatGPT bot to reply to this thread...
It will enable humanity to make the same mistakes more rapidly and efficiently, accelerating our extinction via another group of dim people: politicians.
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Ely: Boys died from head injuries in Cardiff crash - inquest
Kyrees Sullivan and Harvey Evans were found by a member of the public, an inquest opening hears.
www.bbc.co.uk
"CCTV from minutes before the crash showed a police van driving at a distance behind the two boys, but the force said its nearest vehicle was half a mile away when the bike crashed."
There's a 50/50 chance that I was also driving at a distance behind the two boys at the time of the accident. Does that make me guilty too? You can see how everybody is choosing their words very carefully to portray whatever story they want. people should just stick to the facts.Ely: Boys died from head injuries in Cardiff crash - inquest
Kyrees Sullivan and Harvey Evans were found by a member of the public, an inquest opening hears.www.bbc.co.uk
"CCTV from minutes before the crash showed a police van driving at a distance behind the two boys, but the force said its nearest vehicle was half a mile away when the bike crashed."
1. Police were driving along the road doing whatever they do
2. Two kids on an electric bike are driving towards them breaking several laws
3. In close proximity to the police, the kids turn around and go back the way they came.
4. The police continue in that direction until they turn a left and go a different way.
5. The kids are travelling quite fast - certainly more than 20 mph and probably significantly more.
6. The police were approx 1/4 mile from the kids and travelling at right angles away from them at the time of the crash.
7. The kids crashed into a lamppost on a staright road and both died.
No fact, as yet, indicates that the police were chasing the kids
No fact indicates how the kids hit the lamppost.
It's clever how every interested party can choose and/or adjust the facts to portray the story that suits them. It reminds me of the management training that I got in the 80's, which I just found here. it should entertain you and the family for half an hour.
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The bottom line in this are the polices actions in attempting to fabricate a series of events which makes them blameless. They are in fact covering up the actions of their officers who were not following the guidance.
They weren't allowed to chase them as they had no helmets on, but that is exactly what they were doing.
It doesnt matter that they were not wearing helmets. It doesnt matter if they were flouting the law, and it doesnt even matter if they were the worst scrotes in history. The only thing that matters is the police didn't follow the prescribed guidance, and that their boss lied to cover up this fact.
It is a conspiracy of lies.
And thats the only thing were really need to be concerned about. Our police force must be truthful and honest in their actions. Not lie through their teeth to protect themselves, and not fabricate evidence to avoid criticism or consequence.
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Ch Supt David Duckenfield told lies during the Hillsborough tragedy blaming the Liverpool fans. Spoke about how they forced the barrier gate when in fact the truth of the matter was he had opened it.
He tried to pass the blame of his incompetence onto the victims.
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The shooting of Jean De Mendez.
The police lied, the information they fed to the media and public both at the time and subsequent briefings that Mr De Mendez actions contributed to the police believing he was a terrorist about to carry out a bombing.
They tried to blame the victim.
The same in this case, the police are trying to blame the victims. and detract attention away from their own actions
They weren't allowed to chase them as they had no helmets on, but that is exactly what they were doing.
It doesnt matter that they were not wearing helmets. It doesnt matter if they were flouting the law, and it doesnt even matter if they were the worst scrotes in history. The only thing that matters is the police didn't follow the prescribed guidance, and that their boss lied to cover up this fact.
It is a conspiracy of lies.
And thats the only thing were really need to be concerned about. Our police force must be truthful and honest in their actions. Not lie through their teeth to protect themselves, and not fabricate evidence to avoid criticism or consequence.
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Ch Supt David Duckenfield told lies during the Hillsborough tragedy blaming the Liverpool fans. Spoke about how they forced the barrier gate when in fact the truth of the matter was he had opened it.
He tried to pass the blame of his incompetence onto the victims.
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The shooting of Jean De Mendez.
The police lied, the information they fed to the media and public both at the time and subsequent briefings that Mr De Mendez actions contributed to the police believing he was a terrorist about to carry out a bombing.
They tried to blame the victim.
The same in this case, the police are trying to blame the victims. and detract attention away from their own actions
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That's "Whataboutism", which is not a good way to debate because what happened anywhere else at a completely different time has no direct relevance. You could just as easily blame it on the Romans.
Is the phrase usually used when someone cant counter to the logical argument.
But in this case it doesnt really apply. Previous cases of police lying to save themselves shows they have a tendency to do so.
Obviously not, but it is comparable actions of the police to tell lies.
there is nothing new in governments and institutions telling porkies. You don't have to look very far, examples abound.
They call it 'plausible deniability', i.e. as long as it's not a bareface lie, it can and usually will be corrected at later date.
In the case of Cardiff police, it was litterally correct. They followed but did not pursue the boys. What they said was not a lie nor untruth, so whatever their intention, we don't know so why can't you give them some leeway? The same applies of course to the question why one of the boys got arrested 30 times before reaching 16 years of age.
Im a bit confused about this statement.
Where the police are concerned, them deliberately following someone is intent to follow them.
But they werent just pottering along in the general direction were they ?, they were following closely, at speed and looked to continue following them once they'd negotiated the obstacle the bollards presented.
The police dont drive quickly after a certain individual unless they are paying that individual close attention.
No, it's used by people that can't counter an argument directly. It's used as a deflection from the issue they should deal with.
Are we sure they were arrested 30 times? As with follow/chase/persue there are many other things that might get miscalled arrest; a few quiet words on the pavement, police visit their home to have a word with parents, called into the police station, etc.
Somewhere I saw the parents or aunt said 'they were arrested 30 times and never charged' or similar. It might well show tolerance on the part of the police that they try to keep things calm by giving warnings rather than pressing charges. Or of course it might just show laziness or sensible prioritization. Not being charged for a crime doesn't mean you didn't commit it. Again, there is a spectrum of the word 'warning' between a 2 min 'don't to it again' to something very official but less than a charge.
the difference is the intention. If the police pursued me, I expect to be arrested if they caught up with me.
The boys might have thought that the police pursued them but it was not what the police did. They did not call for re-inforcement.
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