Speedict Support

[wurly]

Has yours crashed again? oh dear!!
I updated mine about a week ago, took 10mins and reached 100% no problems. Mines a Samsung Galaxy GT-i8150 no idea what rom etc (not sure how to find that info...)
Had problems with no o/p from port4 but since i reloaded firmware, port4 has worked ever since, until i disconnect and reconnect from the battery.

 

[Old_Dave]

Switched off and also disconnected the battery... Powered back up, didn't bother connecting blue tooth and throttle was fine, I'll try again but with phone connected and see what happens.

@Jackhandy... Maybe it's an issue with the data being screwed up when transferring, I'm sorry to say that my update went as smooth as silk .. It did close Bluetooth at one point of the process but it reconnected and continued the transfer by its self, maybe the 'auto disconnection' is playing havoc with your phone/tablet


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[Old_Dave]

Just tried powering up and connecting via Bluetooth, and throttle works

I haven't got the throttle response quite right, but will reset to defaults and start again tomorrow


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[wurly]

For the moment i'm happy with my settings in throttle mode. I am intending to use road legal 1 when i fit a pedelec sensor.
I have just powered mine up again and zero throttle response. Unplug port 4 throttle cable to controller and reconnect. Throttle works and speedict limiting to 15mph as it should. Phone is offline to speedict, don't think it has to be on all the time, speedict should remember all settings. But i have a weird problem with port4....or maybe its my controller?
Thats enough for tonight, time for a beer.

 

[Old_Dave]

Re port 4 .. I don't know if you have the + wire connected as well as - and signal to the controller cos that may upset the Speedict and make it sulk


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[Deleted member 4366]

Now heres a funny old thing ...

28.4kph = wait for it





17.6mph
So it would seem that its got short term memory issues (haven't we all) as to its kph/mph setting

The port status is only for diagnostics, so it has it's own units independent of other settings. It was the same on the previous version.

 

[Old_Dave]

Lol... It's a good enough'ish reason then


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[speedict]

Hi Danny

Also, when i disconnect the battery and reconnect the battery the hub doesn't rotate when i twist the throttle, yet port 4 shows an o/p to the controller. Only when i disconnect the throttle cable from the speedict and reconnect does it start working again.......weird!!

wurly,

can you send me your port status ? as per my understanding, your throttle mode seem working ok. and when you power off the entire system (include your speed controller) and switch it back on, the moment you power on and "IF" speedict mercury's lowest throttle point is set incorrect, your speed controller may see you are in "un-arm" position (some controller need to see absolution zero throttle before activate its throttle), that may explain if you disconnect throttle and re-connect throttle to make your motor spin again.

can you go to firmware upgrade page and tell me what's your current firmware version ? since 1.0.1 fix the throttle mode issues, if your firmware is still 1.0.0 your throttle lowest and highest point may incorrect stored.

if your firmware is 1.0.0, please hold, we are working on the android client 1.0.4 that add double check firmware upgrade handshaking workflow, since i was told one of our users second failed his firmware upgrade, therefore we need to perform integrity check before newly firmware take over the existing one.

your local time is 8:00AM, after lunch, the new android client 1.0.4 will be available

 

[speedict]

hi guys,

these days we have received some bluetooth connection issues and we have launched different version of android clients to tackle it, because we don't have such rom version we weren't able to test in-house, therefore after feedback information we have received, we now have android client version 1.0.4 which has a mechanism to prevent unqualified android phone being firmware upgrade, also with this version of android client it will double check the copied firmware on mercury or mars by re-copy back with integrity checking.

also i would like to formalize some error report terms such as to define what's mean for bluetooth drop :

1. firmware version, current version can be obtained by firmware upgrade page, on firmware upgrade page it will shown your current firmware version

2. android client version, shown on first page when android client is started.

3. for software activation, please power and connect with your mars or mercury, without devices is connected, speedict android client will keep waiting for quite long time.

4. bluetooth drop : to confirm if your bluetooth is disconnect after sometime, please power on speedict mercury or mars and go to live view, make sure live data is displayed, and put your android device next to mercury or mars 1 meter or 2 is ok, check if it will disconnect, you can monitor it say 5 minutes if you have time.

5. when firmware upgrade or setup, mercury or mars' bluetooth or mcu will be reset for new setting take effective, therefore don't be panic and just wait. this reset don't count as bluetooth drop or disconnect when you report to me

some of you are so helpful by submit the crash report on android console, we will based on this information from google to pinpoint the errors.

thank you for your patients

 

[Deleted member 4366]

For the moment i'm happy with my settings in throttle mode. I am intending to use road legal 1 when i fit a pedelec sensor.
I have just powered mine up again and zero throttle response. Unplug port 4 throttle cable to controller and reconnect. Throttle works and speedict limiting to 15mph as it should. Phone is offline to speedict, don't think it has to be on all the time, speedict should remember all settings. But i have a weird problem with port4....or maybe its my controller?
Thats enough for tonight, time for a beer.

I think Danny's got the answer above. Most controllers look for zero throttle before they let it operate normally. When you set the low throttle point, even if the wheel isn't rotating, there could be a small value on the throttle output. On every bike I've tried, it takes 14 presses of the "+" button to start the motor, and then I hit the "-" button 3 times to give a small margin. At the throttle highpoint, I add three "+"s for the same reason, although if you get the high throttle point it has little detremental effect - unlike the low throttle point, which is critical.

 

[Old_Dave]

1.0.4 now available

 

[speedict]

hi guy,

1.0.4 is now available, please update it first, and later we will also release or unlock the firmware 1.0.1 for upgrade.

once again please use android client 1.0.4 to safeguard the firmware upgrade !

 

[jackhandy]

Danny has confirmed my 2nd speedict mercury has bricked during firmware upgrade.

As before, he has offered to send a replacement, but I've asked him to leave it until, at least some, bugs are ironed out.

I don't mind a bit, helping with debugging but there are so many aspects of the software/hardware not working for me, that it's just a waste of postage to keep bricking the things.

In the meantime I'll follow the thread (provided it doesn't get too technical for me ) & keep riding .

 

[speedict]

firmware 1.0.1 is released, please update android client 1.0.4 to safeguard firmware upgrade.

 

[jackhandy]

Although it could be a while before I get to b*&&£r up speedict #3, I'd appreciate thoughts on this....

My intention is to use said speedict on my GnG 250w brushed-motor- equipped Bouncer; using it with PAS & Throttle thus:

Road Legal 2: PAS into port 3: Throttle into port 2:
Cadence of 70-ish to give about 70% power:Throttle to give me a boost to 100% when required.

This was starting to work as I want (although cadence seemed lower than I felt - anyone checked that?)
so I think it may work out OK , particularly if it works proper in Power Throttle mode: Before the firmware upgrade bricked it, I could only get it to work with throttle type disabled.

My question is this: If I put a 3-way switch & 10k pot in the port 4 (Throttle Out) line, would it work to give me 2 ranges of power; or is the speedict output digitittal, or some such?
The thinking being that I beetle along quite a bit quicker on my own than when on a Trail with the family & I don't want to be constantly faffing up & down gears to keep the cadence low so's not to get too much assist. Effectively, this would give me 4 levels of assist if I get the cadence/power setting right in speedict, without having to re-set any parameters ( On-the-Fly is not a term I'd use about changing setup in speedict).

If I've not made myself clear - I'm not at all surprised

But would appreciate any suggestions.

 

[Old_Dave]

Err.... Ummm

I hear what you want to do... But it may not be easy to achieve, maybe when Danny gets to doing the 'quick short cuts' maybe he can do a number of magnets one... Which will alter the rate of PAS pulses per revolution of the crank rather than trying to alter the back ground throttle, which I don't think will give you the expected results under varying conditions

P.S On the fly gets quicker after 400 times, lol


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[Deleted member 4366]

With a crank-drive, it all gets more complicated - eapecially if you have cadence related power. I put a cruise control on one of my crank drives, and it effectively made the gears the speed control because it spun the motor at constant speed. Every time I changed gear, it surged forward with maximum power which reduced as it got closer to cruise rpm, so it was only effective in a single gear like top gear. I think for crank-drive, you need to select current throttle which willl make it a bit more like a motorbike throttle.

I'm not sure what you mean by a pot on port 4. Are you saying that you want to be able to switch between Speedict output and an independent cruise control?

The old Speedict's output was digital (PWM) so for some controllers you needed their special cable that had smoothing components in to convert it to analogue. The new one is faster, so I don't know whether smoothing is still necessary. I don''t see any components in the cables, but they could be inside the Speedict rather than external to convert it to analogue.

For me, Legal mode 2 would be better if the PAS only worked as a yes/no switch, so that the throttle out was always the same as the throttle in, but limited by maximum speed or current as long as you were pedalling. This would then allow you to use a normal throttle without a spring to control the power or speed of your bike, with it set to current throttle for a crank drive and speed throttle for a hub-motor. Legal mode 2 seems too complicated at the moment with its cadence related functions, which for me aren't necessary

 

[wurly]

My experience with speedict so far is, that you virtually hand over the controller throttle voltage to speedict. In throttle mode with speed control set (say at 15mph) speedict can give anywhere between 0 & 100 (port 4 digital scaling) which is reflected in min/max throttle signal voltage depending how fast/slow you are travelling. When i try to adjust throttle to 50% and try to 'feather' it i find the speedict varying signal voltages between min and max, so i think your adjustable throttle speed switch may not work as you might have wanted it.
I know i have to spend more time fine tuning, but i would like to see a speed control shortcut being the only alteration needed leaving all the settings as they were, or at least not have to scroll through several menus.
BTW Danny you were correct about my controller not seeing 0V, i have it working now. Thanks

 

[speedict]

I'm not sure what you mean by a pot on port 4. Are you saying that you want to be able to switch between Speedict output and an independent cruise control?

i think jackhandy would like to install 3 speed switch on throttle out, e.g. throttle out voltage 5v when switch on with resistor it will then change to 4v, but i don't think it gonna work because speedict has feedback system e.g. if speed throttle mode is selected and set speed value is 25km mean when full throttle is detected speedict will keep speed to 25km, however when jack's switch inserted and change the output voltage down, speedict will keep increasing its port 4 voltage all the way up to reach 25km ...

The old Speedict's output was digital (PWM) so for some controllers you needed their special cable that had smoothing components in to convert it to analogue. The new one is faster, so I don't know whether smoothing is still necessary. I don''t see any components in the cables, but they could be inside the Speedict rather than external to convert it to analogue.

correct, thanks you deveh ! and with port 4 voltage output circuit we can manipulate ~0.01v
(pwm signal 255 step to control 0-5v)

For me, Legal mode 2 would be better if the PAS only worked as a yes/no switch, so that the throttle out was always the same as the throttle in, but limited by maximum speed or current as long as you were pedalling. This would then allow you to use a normal throttle without a spring to control the power or speed of your bike, with it set to current throttle for a crank drive and speed throttle for a hub-motor. Legal mode 2 seems too complicated at the moment with its cadence related functions, which for me aren't necessary

yes sir, later when the samsung rom issues is isolated, we will back on track for feature enhancement since we still have long way to go, the new function mode either call POT or D8VEH

later i would like to start a torque sensor alternative discussion here, see how with speedict setting to simulate torque change

 

[speedict]

I know i have to spend more time fine tuning, but i would like to see a speed control shortcut being the only alteration needed leaving all the settings as they were, or at least not have to scroll through several menus.
BTW Danny you were correct about my controller not seeing 0V, i have it working now. Thanks

alternation ? do you want virtual 3 speed ?