Prices of the electricity we use to charge

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A taxi driver told me the other day, that when recently the electric car belonging to one of his colleagues out of juice, it stopped in the middle of the road, and he couldn't push it out of the way of traffic. The AA had to lift it, after it had blocked the busy road for ages. He claimed this was because the brakes engaged automatically when the battery ran flat. If that's true, sounds highly inconvenient. His taxi driver mates favour hybrids, apparently. And they're all unhappy about the push to electric because of the price of repairs, most notably battery replacement, which can cost as much as the car's value with a fully functional battery. One of my customers runs a Nissan dealership, says hybrids are selling like hot cakes because of range anxiety. But repair cost anxiety remains rife.
 
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Leaf XE (h) €28,495, 49/40 kWh, 285 km (235 km), 7.9 s, 148 hp, FWD, nickel.

Leaf SV 62 kWh (h) €40,090, 59/62 kWh, 398 km (340 km), 6.9 s, 215 hp, FWD, nickel."
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So for 300km range it was €40,090, on the road? haha :rolleyes:
 

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it wont do 300km if im driving it n doubt the tyres will last that long either :p

tho if it does catch on fire and burn you to dust you save 1k at the crem :cool:
 
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So, that nissan lump, or this sweet, sassy *hybrid* for €34k?
(Cars v.expensive in Ireland coz of tax!)
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what is the cost of a battery and could you even buy one when the warranty ends ? will they fit it and turn it on/ work with the cars software?

can you rip out the ev part and will it still work?
 

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id still go that rout because they use open software so you could keep it going forever with a new batt every ten years.
 

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id still go that rout because they use open software so you could keep it going forever with a new batt every ten years.
Could be OK for a classic with blown engine and only leisure mileage being put on it. Sadly a 308gt is not in my price range, electric or no! :p electric ferrari 308.jpg
 

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Whatever ones view on EVcars, not being able to park or charge, expensive insurance, reliability?, etc, is going to limit their appeal and utility. If they lose the free road tax & other perks, there's no incentive :confused:
 

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EVs make up 30.4% of September car manufacturing

SMMT repeats calls for incentives on new EVs as UK manufacturing slumps by over 20%
 

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"Rep. Dina Titus, D-Nev., on Thursday introduced new legislation aimed at strengthening federal regulation of transporting lithium-ion batteries in the wake of a truck crash and subsequent fire that shut down Interstate 15 near Barstow.

The late July crash involved a truck transporting six large lithium-ion batteries and shut down I-15 for 43 hours. Caltrans, California’s department of transportation, said it was the first incident of its kind in the U.S."


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/lithium-ion-battery-transportation-legislation-introduced-after-i-15-crash/ar-AA1qtWS4
 
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Leaf XE (h) €28,495, 49/40 kWh, 285 km (235 km), 7.9 s, 148 hp, FWD, nickel.

Leaf SV 62 kWh (h) €40,090, 59/62 kWh, 398 km (340 km), 6.9 s, 215 hp, FWD, nickel."
RTE with 2023 prices
So for 300km range it was €40,090, on the road? haha :rolleyes:
One of the very worst things about the development of modern cars is the grotesque bloat that has gone on. My first car, bought in 1974 for £80 was a 14 year old, 883cc Morris 1000. It weighed in at 830kg and was absolutely tiny by comparison to modern cars - even supposedly small modern cars. The other day I was walking in Newcastle and I heard the very characteristic sound of an old 'Moggie' and I turned around to see one - a tiny shrimp sandwiched between two gigantic German made cars.

The weight of the MOrris 1000 was 830 kg. That Nissan Leaf 2022, according to google is between 1580kg and 1781 kg, probably depending in the size of the battery, but petrol models are not much lighter. The Nissan Juke is between 1199 to 1354 kg, about the same as my new Skoda Fabia.

All this weight needs to be accelerated up to speed, pushed up hill, bounced along the roads and stopped. In our towns and villages, the roads are in the main, the same ones we had when horse drawn vehicles and small petrol cars were the norm. You will probably struggle to fit a modern ordinary size car into the garage of a 1930s semi, and a lot of them don't fit into the car parking bays in most places I go to in town.

Cars need to be smaller and lighter. I know we have become a nation of lard a rses, but car bloat is a menace. Some of those giant Audis and other German cars are plain ridiculous.

Apart from anything else, these bigger cars are far more dangerous to pedestrians and cyclists. Far more likely to flatten and run over them whereas previously, the victim would be struck and roll over the top and back of the car. Not great - but far better than being splatted down to the road and crushed.

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what is the cost of a battery and could you even buy one when the warranty ends ? will they fit it and turn it on/ work with the cars software?

can you rip out the ev part and will it still work?
With a Nissan Leaf it's yes to all those. The 24kW, 40kw and 63kW v batteries are all available and one standard fit on all models. In the higher mileage USA a lot of owners have upgraded their batteries, not many here since we have enough low mileage drivers here to want the older models.
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One of the very worst things about the development of modern cars is the grotesque bloat that has gone on. My first car, bought in 1974 for £80 was a 14 year old, 883cc Morris 1000. It weighed in at 830kg and was absolutely tiny by comparison to modern cars - even supposedly small modern cars. The other day I was walking in Newcastle and I heard the very characteristic sound of an old 'Moggie' and I turned around to see one - a tiny shrimp sandwiched between two gigantic German made cars.

The weight of the MOrris 1000 was 830 kg. That Nissan Leaf 2022, according to google is between 1580kg and 1781 kg, probably depending in the size of the battery, but petrol models are not much lighter. The Nissan Juke is between 1199 to 1354 kg, about the same as my new Skoda Fabia.

All this weight needs to be accelerated up to speed, pushed up hill, bounced along the roads and stopped. In our towns and villages, the roads are in the main, the same ones we had when horse drawn vehicles and small petrol cars were the norm. You will probably struggle to fit a modern ordinary size car into the garage of a 1930s semi, and a lot of them don't fit into the car parking bays in most places I go to in town.

Cars need to be smaller and lighter. I know we have become a nation of lard a rses, but car bloat is a menace. Some of those giant Audis and other German cars are plain ridiculous.

Apart from anything else, these bigger cars are far more dangerous to pedestrians and cyclists. Far more likely to flatten and run over them whereas previously, the victim would be struck and roll over the top and back of the car. Not great - but far better than being splatted down to the road and crushed.

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My 2001 P38 Range Rover has a 4.6litre V8 & weighs two tons. In the event of an accident I would much prefer to be sat in my Range Rover than one of those Moggies.
 

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My 2001 P38 Range Rover has a 4.6litre V8 & weighs two tons. In the event of an accident I would much prefer to be sat in my Range Rover than one of those Moggies.
Yes - well it must make you feel a bit smug when you can run over the prols in you iron tank.

Research shows that drivers who feel a bit invincible drive more carelessly than those who have a sense of vulnerability and take more risks. Once upon a time, about 45 years ago, I had a big old land rover and I know I felt more cavalier about risk. If I was in charge - you'd be banned from having such a vehicle.
 

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Yes - well it must make you feel a bit smug when you can run over the prols in you iron tank.

Research shows that drivers who feel a bit invincible drive more carelessly than those who have a sense of vulnerability and take more risks. Once upon a time, about 45 years ago, I had a big old land rover and I know I felt more cavalier about risk. If I was in charge - you'd be banned from having such a vehicle.
I’m doing my bit for the environment by not replacing my car. In France I save the planet by running it on E85 (85% bioethanol). I’ve had it for 13 years & in all that time I have never run over any proles although a full grown fallow deer came off worst a few months ago without leaving a mark on the car. I intend to keep the car for the rest of my life so plan to get it converted to run on LPG.
 
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For us cyclists to be safe in collisions with SUVs, how do we go about converting Renault Espaces to "250W" pedelecs? I have a horrible suspicion WTF PLC settings will be involved at some point, so I won't be doing it because they're far too mysterious.