Prices of the electricity we use to charge

[saneagle]

there are plenty of brand new, unsold electric cars in the world but not 13 millions of them in China. The point is in less than 30 years, most cars on the road will be pure electric.

You're right of course. You should be able to get a job with factcheck.org. When I counted them, there were 13,000,0002 of them. Whoever wrote 13M must have forgotten about the two that came off the production line with missing badges that were on shortage at the time, but they came a couple of days later and were attached just as they unloaded the cars into the field, which then qualified those two for registration. You can see them in that YouTube thumbnail middle top of the image parked in the clearer bit with their registration plates now on.

You might want to check who funds ICA and who runs it. Maybe it's not what you think.

 

[flecc]

i can rip the hole computer system out of a ev and make it work most cant so in realty you do not own it when a corporation can just turn it off.

just look at the ps5 or xbox you buy a game and download it so you never own that game even my bloody washing machine needs WiFi to work

tv wont even work unless i have a Samsung account aa,aaa batts are gone so need a new smart remote when that dies 100 quid a pop.

same with printers no ink cant use the scan function print 1000 pages it gets bricked as go get a new one just wait till drm bog paper comes out for ur new i crapper that wont flush if you use the wrong stuff!!

well i can still shite in a bucket

Why do you keep responding with always this same grouse? You aren't telling us anything, we all know this stuff already and I've long been acknowledging it.

The only thing that matters is that it's going to happen anyway, unless we somehow make it impossible. I can't see that happening though, since the majority of people are suckers for consumerism, unable to resist every new gimmick, however worthless it is.

Occasionally we objectors score a little victory, for example the substantial numbers who refuse to use a smartphone have allied themselved to the inadequate signal coverage and completely destroyed the Smart Meter scheme the government and energy companies had such high hopes for.

But unless you can find some other victories like that to hold out hope, your protests are pointless. All these things you clearly hate will continue to happen.
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[soundwave]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrington_Event

kill it bang its when not if

 

[matthewslack]

 

[Woosh]

Most people live near where they work, use their cars less than 15 miles a day. How long does it take to push 3-4 kwh into their battery? The rest of the battery's capacity can be rented to the national grid to balance the grid. The problem with the grid lies more in connecting new wind and solar farms.

 

[soundwave]

Most people live near where they work, use their cars less than 15 miles a day. How long does it take to push 3-4 kwh into their battery? The rest of the battery's capacity can be rented to the national grid to balance the grid. The problem with the grid lies more in connecting new wind and solar farms.

the cable in the floor that connects to our 4 houses means only 1 house could have a car charger fitted otherwise the cables will need to be dug up to the sub station up the road.

rest of the road was done years ago but our 4 houses still have to orignal cable when they was built, prefab for the dod

 

[Woosh]

You don't need fast charging in most cases, 10kw charging is enough. All it needs is for the cars to negotiate between them when to charge.

 

[soundwave]

8-9kw showers dont help next door had his meter blow off the wall last year and had to remove main fuses in our houses to replace his meter its that old lol.

 

[Woosh]

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'And Europe will find itself locked into a toxic loop as Chinese-built EVs flood in'.
You should blame Elon Musk and our capitalism for that. We don't mind where Elon has his cars made, as long as Tesla share price goes up year after year. He reckons Tesla share will be worth 3 times what it is at the moment in 5 years time.
Although we knew for a long time that batteries are going to be the determinant factor in EVs, we don't invest anywhere near enough in battery technology, especially in the UK and to a lesser degree, the EU. Still, it's a long battle, the only certainty is the 500 miles range become more and more common and affordable.

 

[flecc]

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This is nonsense from The Guardian, the truth is the opposite:

The growth in the charging infrastructure here in Britain for example has been increasingly outpacing the car sales growth over the last three years:

"At the end of November 2023, there were 53,029 electric vehicle charging points across the UK, across 30,853 charging locations. This represents a 46% increase in the total number of charging devices since November 2022."

This while the year on year increase in the number of the e-cars was 20.65%, less than half that. Bear in mind also that almost all actually buying a battery-only e-car have a home charger and that 85% of all EV charging is done at home where it is cheapest.

And the accusation of EV dumping is also nonsense. For example BYD is China's major e-car maker, they've just launched their Seal model here, from £48,000 up and it isn't even really competitive in some respects. The only cheap EVs from China are the microcars competing with Citroen's Ami and the like, a little better than the Ami but dearer too, plus they refuse to make RHD versions for Britain.

And anyway, we know from our own e-bike sphere that as soon as Chinese dumping commences, the EU apply savage anti-dumping duties.

The Guardan also suffers from the common media disease, "Good news is no news so we'll invent fake bad news instead".
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[lenny]

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[saneagle]

This is nonsense from The Guardian, the truth is the opposite:

The growth in the charging infrastructure here in Britain for example has been increasingly outpacing the car sales growth over the last three years:

"At the end of November 2023, there were 53,029 electric vehicle charging points across the UK, across 30,853 charging locations. This represents a 46% increase in the total number of charging devices since November 2022."

This while the year on year increase in the number of the e-cars was 20.65%, less than half that. Bear in mind also that almost all actually buying a battery-only e-car have a home charger and that 85% of all EV charging is done at home where it is cheapest.

And the accusation of EV dumping is also nonsense. For example BYD is China's major e-car maker, they've just launched their Seal model here, from £48,000 up and it isn't even really competitive in some respects. The only cheap EVs from China are the microcars competing with Citroen's Ami and the like, a little better than the Ami but dearer too, plus they refuse to make RHD versions for Britain.

And anyway, we know from our own e-bike sphere that as soon as Chinese dumping commences, the EU apply savage anti-dumping duties.

The Guardan also suffers from the common media disease, "Good news is no news so we'll invent fake bad news instead".
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I'd look at it a bit different. This is hypothetical, but you'll get the idea.

Let's say there were 1,000,000 BEVs on the road at some point in the past when there were 31,000 charge points, and half the charging was done at home. That means 500,000 cars charging on 31k public chargers, so if all chargers are being used, 469,000 cars can't charge.

At some point later, charge points increase by 46% to 53k, and the number of BEVs only increases by 20%. That now means 600,000 cars using 53k chargers, and if all the chargers are being used, 547,000 cars would be waiting, or 78,000 more cars would have to wait for charging.

In other words,from the scenario above, the chance of finding a charger would be lower even though the charge points increased at a percentage more than the BEVs. The only thing that counts is the absolute numbers. To get better, there needs to be more than one new charger for every two new BEVs on the road, i.e. if there were 5 more EVs and 11 more charge points, that would be an improvident, but if there were 11 more EVs and 5 new charge points, that would be worse, assuming half the charges are done at home.

 

[Woosh]

I'd look at it a bit different. This is hypothetical, but you'll get the idea.

Let's say there were 1,000,000 BEVs on the road at some point in the past when there were 31,000 charge points, and half the charging was done at home. That means 500,000 cars charging on 31k public chargers, so if all chargers are being used, 469,000 cars can't charge.

Every time I stop at the channel tunnel terminal, I can't help but notice that the row of Tesla fast chargers, each and every one, stand idle with nobody needing them. It's not just at the tunnel or ferries terminals, the chargers in Southend, in London Road, a stone throw from my shop, stand idle most of the time except at weekends when people need somewhere to park.
Honestly, as EV battery's capacity get expanded, the chargers get less used.
I doubt that any of them makes any profit.

 

[saneagle]

Every time I stop at the channel tunnel terminal, I can't help but notice that the row of Tesla fast chargers, each and every one, stand idle with nobody needing them. It's not just at the tunnel or ferries terminals, the chargers in Southend, in London Road, a stone throw from my shop, stand idle most of the time except at weekends when people need somewhere to park.
Honestly, as EV battery's capacity get expanded, the chargers get less used.
I doubt that any of them makes any profit.

Tesla chargers were exclusive to Teslas, but I though that I heard a recent announcement that they're going to make them available to all BEVs.

You'll always be able to find vacant chargers somewhere at sometime, but the problem is to find a working one that accepts whatever apps you have when you need one, particularly when travelling away from home.

Did you watch Geoff Buys Cars vs The McMaster challenges. They've done N-S, E-W and down through Wales. Every time the diesel beat the EV by hours because of charging problems..

I watched The McM interview a couple who ran an EV on Lanzarote. They could reach every destination on the Island with their Nissan Leaf, and they never had to pay for any charge. It was perfect for them, but no good for people living in Southend and travelling to Manchester once a week with charging costs now reaching 90p per unit or three times the cost of diesel.

 

[flecc]

I'd look at it a bit different. This is hypothetical, but you'll get the idea.

Let's say there were 1,000,000 BEVs on the road at some point in the past when there were 31,000 charge points, and half the charging was done at home. That means 500,000 cars charging on 31k public chargers, so if all chargers are being used, 469,000 cars can't charge.

At some point later, charge points increase by 46% to 53k, and the number of BEVs only increases by 20%. That now means 600,000 cars using 53k chargers, and if all the chargers are being used, 547,000 cars would be waiting, or 78,000 more cars would have to wait for charging.

In other words,from the scenario above, the chance of finding a charger would be lower even though the charge points increased at a percentage more than the BEVs. The only thing that counts is the absolute numbers. To get better, there needs to be more than one new charger for every two new BEVs on the road, i.e. if there were 5 more EVs and 11 more charge points, that would be an improvident, but if there were 11 more EVs and 5 new charge points, that would be worse, assuming half the charges are done at home.

Oh dear, oh dear, you could hardly be more wrong.

Now try adding the 900,000 home fast chargers to the 53,000 public ones and you'll see that we have simultaneous charging for all the 950,000 BEVS we have, right now!

Now consider that 85% of all charging is done at home, why wouldn't it at as low as 5 pence per unit, rather than up to 50 pence or more?

And that the 85% home charging is done at night when most people and cars are at rest and the supply is abundant and cheaper.

Also consider to that all cars, including BEVs, spend almost their entire lives parked, creating numerous charging opportunities. For example for years the most popular of all public charging points have been the supermarket ones when they are parked anyway and the current is often subsidised or free as a loss leader.

And the above is only a sample, there are many other factors you haven't even begun to consider, like the growth of the charging infrastructure is exponential at an ever increasing rate, or there's another 10 years before the IC cutoff, or that the bulk of the car market, 80%, is used car sales of ICs f or a long time yet.
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[flecc]

You'll always be able to find vacant chargers somewhere at sometime, but the problem is to find a working one that accepts whatever apps you have when you need one.

For over a year now by law all new chargers have accepted Contactless and by the end of 2024 all public chargers will have to by law in Britain.

I watched The McM interview a couple who ran an EV on Lanzarote. They could reach every destination on the Island with their Nissan Leaf, and they never had to pay for any charge. It was perfect for them, but no good for people living in Southend and travelling to Manchester once a week with charging costs now reaching 90p per unit or three times the cost of diesel.

And you think this is a valid argument!

Why would anyone with a couple of working brain cells needing to drive from Southend to Manchester once a week buy a EV at present. They wouldn't of course, but might in a few years time buy a genuine 500 mile range EV for that round trip when there are also cheaper public charging options.
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[soundwave]

try 28p per kw and 61p standing charge and 5 percent tax what edf charge us and no solar at night and no way a fast charger can be fitted to our 4 houses with out the road being dug up and cable replaced. who pays for that?

cant really see the point in fast charging any batts as it just reduces its life span and given the price of a new one fine it its a company car.

353kw is what we used last month 37kw generated and 2.9kw sold last 30 days.

and the price per kw goes up next month fkn standing charge is a rip off and tbh i dont have to pay for the electric anyway as on a list so they cant even fit a smart pre pay meter.

my nan and gramp use to watch tv by putting pound coins in it and drove his petrol lawn more to the shops

 

[soundwave]

and that was 8 years ago

 

[flecc]

try 28p per kw and 61p standing charge and 5 percent tax what edf charge us and no solar at night and no way a fast charger can be fitted to our 4 houses with out the road being dug up and cable replaced. who pays for that?

You really are funny at times! Asking "who pays for that" after complaining about the standing charge. You do of course, that is what the standing charge is for, the infrastructure, and your area network supplier does the digging up etc.

cant really see the point in fast charging any batts as it just reduces its life span

Depends what is meant by Fast. Most EV home fast chargers are not fast at all, they are simply circa 8 hour chargers rated at about 6.6 kW.

The public circa 50kW Rapid chargers are not rapid, they are really just Fast.

The true Rapid ones are those charging at 150 to 350Kw.
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[soundwave]

when i asked edf what the standing charge was for they said ppl that dont pay there bills and like i said i dont have to pay it if i dont want to and they cant cut me off or fit a pre pay meter either.

as for the grass outside the front of our house it seems it belongs to no one council say it is highways and they say it is the council been waiting 8 years for a new bathroom lol but our 4 house are on a separate cable to the main one in the road and they dont even know where it is either without digging the lot up.