Prices of the electricity we use to charge

[flecc]

It does indeed cost 60,000 Canadian dollars. Two separate customers provided documents and part number to show it. One of the customers, like you, didn't believe it, so she checked it with three different dealers and she contacted Hyundai head office to confirm, who also gave the same part number and price even though, at the same time, they said there was a mistake with the other guy.

Didn't you watch the video you linked? All the actual documents were there to view. This isn't the anti ev brigade. It's two loyal customers and Hyundai head office providing the info.

Yes, I did watch the video, but I am not so easily fooled. When Hyundai sell the entire car with battery for far less, the battery emphatically does not cost 60,000 Canadian dollars, though they might be charged that. Rip offs are commonplace, and as you said, there was a mistake admitted anyway, which the anti ev brigade exploit with delight.

Those owners should if necessary nip over the border into the USA for their new battery.
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[saneagle]

No Dave , no additional costs . One buys the amount of electric kwh to cover their usage or up to 120% of their predicted usage. All operating /management costs are taken from monies earned from the total Mega watts of energy the farms produce as there will be some over production of energy to cover these costs.
Typically the scheme allows a 3 bed home to buy 4100 kwh of power as this is deemed average the upper /higher usage amount such a household would use but one can buy in up to a 7000kwh limit , above this 7000kwh limit an owner needs to show real world bill usage .
Average take up is approx. 3000kwh/£3100 investment for those not willing to shell out over twice as much for rood top installation.

I have chosen the option as already stated , my E/W elevation isn't condusive to energy production though one can split the array to even out dayight usage in the sunny months . A re - roof would be prudent first as the the house is now some 70 odd years old. The cost likely to exceed 15k so ownership of a small part of a large project positioned in a prime sun spot and direction makes a bit more sense for me.
How much generation/returns I see will only be known in the years to come, once the farm goes live.

That just seems too good to be true. I hope the scheme doesn't go bust, then someone else takes over Andoversford new contracts.

When you can't fit solar panels, another option is batteries. You charge them up with cheap night time electricity and use them during the day. Cost would be about £5k. If everybody did it, the price of night electricity would go up and it would be a waste of time, so it's not as future proof as solar.

 

[Nealh]

All maintenance is covered by over production costs so one has no need to worry about fires/dodgy roof installs ect,etc, no roof maintenance of panel system required on the home.
Their are no fit/seg payments like a home install , I guess if one wants extra insurance one could opt for the stand alone emergency battery set up that d8veh has but again it is all down to what one deems reasonable in buying such a set up, 2k for back up battery is not every ones idea of cheap or good returns compared to the energy one may use or the savings for payback.

 

[Woosh]

I am mulling over using a sand battery to store heat during the day and use it for underfloor heating at night. Would that make economic sense?

 

[Nealh]

That just seems too good to be true. I hope the scheme doesn't go bust, then someone else takes over Andoversford new contracts.

When you can't fit solar panels, another option is batteries. You charge them up with cheap night time electricity and use them during the day. Cost would be about £5k. If everybody did it, the price of night electricity would go up and it would be a waste of time, so it's not as future proof as solar.

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That just seems too good to be true. I hope the scheme doesn't go bust, then someone else takes over Andoversford new contracts.

Time will tell and I will keep the forum posted with my investment .
I haven't invested to make money or treat it as a get rich scheme which some investors will be thinking, I'm thinking of years to come where I can reduce some of the costs of my power usage as with all things prices don't often go down once they have risen and doubt we will ever see the costs of pre putin war era when energy was deemed cheap.
Ripple don't own the farms /projects it is the co -operative of owners who have invested , Ripple are the management team who over see the running and building of the farms /projects whether wind /solar.

Richer nations like ours are seeing the light regarding energy and where it comes from, our issue her is poor infrastucture /capacity from the National Grid plc . Greed and avarice is holding back advances as is poor goverment policy in this area, planning and oposition to green energy is slow and woeful.
The public at large are generally more pro then the goverment .

 

[saneagle]

Those owners should if necessary nip over the border into the USA for their new battery.

One of the owners did try that, but the high cost was because the battery has to be shipped from Hyundai main factory in Korea, whiles as a Tesla battery comes from a more local source. I don't think you were paying attention if you watched that video. Watch it again to get a better understanding.

 

[saneagle]

I am mulling over using a sand battery to store heat during the day and use it for underfloor heating at night. Would that make economic sense?

No. Storage heating was tried in the late 70s and early 80s. It was hideously expensive. Most people pulled it out and installed boilers and normal radiators. Electric hearing is just expensive compared with gas.

Sand batteries can give you something if you have spare electricity, like from a wind generator in a storm, when you need to use a dump load.

 

[flecc]

Finnish man blows up his Tesla in protest at battery replacement cost

Finnish motorist Tuomas Katainen blew up his Tesla S Model 2012 with 66lbs of dynamite after its battery failed and he was faced with the whopping £17,000 repair bill.

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depends where you are they can charge what they like same as bosch as can bus locked and without the software to pair it to the cars computer it wont work same as every other part connected to it and apple crap.

Scottish couple facing $33k repair bill after driving Tesla in heavy rain

A Scottish couple has been confronted with a £17,374 (A$33,370) bill after their Tesla Model Y wouldn't start after a night out.

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Driver says he was 'trapped' in hot Tesla after battery died

"The entire car was literally dead," said Rick Meggison.

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there wont be any classic electric cars unless the software is cracked and cheap diy replacement can be sourced.

bosch wont even sell bearings let alone a bms or motor controller and even if they did without the software to pair it there useless

McLaren P1 Battery Upgrade Costs 911 GT3 Money

A successor to the McLaren P1 is in the works; that much we know is true. But McLaren hasn't given up on the P1 itself, despite production ending some seven years ago. Instead of letting sleeping hypercar legends lie, the British supercar manufacturer has given the mighty P1 and P1 GTR a new...

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The battery itself is plug and play, requiring only a vehicle-level software update. All in, the replacement takes only 14 hours at a McLaren dealer and is covered by a new 6-year warranty. It comes at a price, however, and P1 owners who wish to secure the upgrade will have to cough up $156,700 including the supply and fitment of the cell, just a few grand shy of the price of a Porsche 911 GT3. The upgrades will be available to owners from July 2022.

now you know as well as me a batt of that size does not cost that much to make no where near but as it is a hyper car they can charge what they like as the ppl that buy these things dont care.

he has ripped out the hole hybrid system as the rnd and cost to fix it is not worth the hassle, plus will save a load of waight and make it one of the fastest p1s in the world, until the motor blows up

and other super cars that have fuel cells have to replaced every 5 years and will cost 100k. and to just look at it in a box in ur front room will cost 50k per year.

As you'll know I've never defended Tesla and in these pages have been one of their harshest critics of their battery policies. Anyone buying a model A or model Y currently is a mug, not having a clue about the battery it will have. I would never buy any of their models.

And supercars like that McClaren are never a sensible purchase so shouldn't be a part of a discussion about EV practicality.

As an owner I know with absolute certainly that there are entirely practical EVs that suit well over half the car owning and using population. A far higher number than can be manufactured for at present or even need to be manufactured.

Remember, the majority of the world's countries have no ev ban planned, we are still a whole decade away from an IC ban in most other countries and the IC cars bought during that time will be able to be used for at least their whole average car 23 years life span beyond.

So why are you and the rest of the anti EV brigade getting so hysterical about them? Why not let the millions of us who use them and the cyclists and pedestrians no longer being so exhaust gassed or deafened when close, enjoy them in peace?
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[Nealh]

ASHP is a no go in my books . ungainly noisy energy ineffiecient devices which will be poorly conceived and installed across many properties that aren't very efficient even with so called modernising/upgrades.
I have come across one such set up with the owner owning a timber chalet/bungalow property in the Surry hills , despite massive insulation upgrades to the property on a frosty cold day /night the propery struggles to maintain 19c .

May be in my life time gas will have to be ditched ? I can see modern electric heating radiators replacing my central heating with the modern /wifi indivdual wall heater radiators whether oil filled/ceramic type.

Which ever way any individual goes about sourcing/producing their power needs it is going to cost money whether the power is produced directly or indirectly.

We have seen SW's example where though he has solar monthly costs are still very dear.

 

[Woosh]

No. Storage heating was tried in the late 70s and early 80s. It was hideously expensive. Most people pulled it out and installed boilers and normal radiators. Electric hearing is just expensive compared with gas.

Sand batteries can give you something if you have spare electricity, like from a wind generator in a storm, when you need to use a dump load.

I intend to use gas filled solar tubes in my garden to heat the sand, so it's entirely passive except for the pumps

 

[flecc]

One of the owners did try that, but the high cost was because the battery has to be shipped from Hyundai main factory in Korea, whiles as a Tesla battery comes from a more local source. I don't think you were paying attention if you watched that video. Watch it again to get a better understanding.

Then obviously the owners failed to do their homework when they bought that model. That is not in any way a valid generic criticism of EVs, it's just an example of consumer careless stupidity.

On every occasion of considering buying one in 2010, 2014 and finally buying in 2018, I checked every aspect, including battery availability and price and alternative options if one failed on me.
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[soundwave]

renewable technology is nonrepairable crap you thro w in to the bin and buy a new one a electric car is no different no matter the brand and the more that buys them the worse it will get.

and its all apples fault give me a 1980s amp and speakers any day at least it will still work in 20 years time they dont make them like that anymore for a reason, no profit in it long term.

we have just become a throw away society and all about profit for corporations that do not give a crap about the planet, war anyone got some new big bombs ready to go.

id build a electric car as id have full control over all of it source my own parts and batts and then if serviced right could last decades.

but they dont want that no profit in it long term and i can heat my own seats thanks

my 50 quid led bulb fro 2012 is still going tho, dont make those either anymore

 

[lenny]

I intend to use gas filled solar tubes in my garden to heat the sand, so it's entirely passive except for the pumps

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[flecc]

renewable technology is nonrepairable crap - - - - - a electric car is no different no matter the brand.

Not true. The Nissan Leafs from the outset have been extremely reliable and will last decades. Their batteries from the 2010 24 kW through the 30kW one of 2014, the 40kW one of 2018 to the largest 63 kW one today are all the same size and fully interchangeable, using replaceable cell modules to maintain interim life capacity at minimal cost.

Of course they sensibly use small numbers of large capacity reliable prismatic cells in low cell number modules, making capacity maintenance in the event of an odd cell failure cheap and easy.

And their EV partner Renault rent the batteries in fixed price fixed term contracts, protecting shorter term owners in that way against failure

It's just a matter of buying the right EV in the first place.
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[soundwave]

id buy a old bosch bike with the gen 2 motor but none of this smart crap because even if you had a batt that could last forever as long as it needs a server to keep it going they can turn it off when they like its called planned obsolescence.

apple do this with there os so you get a imac from say 2010 even if it still works and boots in to the os you wont even get a google page to load.

also phone wise anything past a 11 pro max is not end user or 3rd party fixable without apples software and rip off parts.

dont buy any tractor with a computer in it, tho i cant see the point of gps in a field of carrots

 

[flecc]

tho i cant see the point of gps in a field of carrots

That's because you dont understand the subject.
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[soundwave]

well at least they can find it pmsl

 

[saneagle]

I intend to use gas filled solar tubes in my garden to heat the sand, so it's entirely passive except for the pumps

Good luck with that. It'll be like heat pumps - works great when it's warm and sunny, but useless when it's snowing and you need some heat, or on a day like today, where it's dark all day.

 

[soundwave]

they will be taking the pi$$ next fart 10 quid fine

 

[flecc]

they will be taking the pi$$ next fart 10 quid fine

Some truths, some nonsense.

The flaw is that what is being developed is not necessarily what is legislated. Remember, politicians and lawyers also like to own and drive cars and far more control is possible now but hasn't been implemented by them.
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