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If COBOL is so problematic, why does the US government still use it?
"According to Manjeet Rege, data science and software engineering professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Engineering, one of the most common placeholder dates is May 20, 1875. Why that date? Because that's the beginning of time according to the ISO 8601 time and date standard.

Now, you may well ask why the standard makers picked that seemingly arbitrary date? The answer is it's not arbitrary at all, just obscure. It's the anniversary of the International Bureau of Weight and Measures creation date, aka the metric system.

What that means in practice is that, in at least some cases, if someone applies for Social Security without a birth date, they'd automatically be assigned a birthdate of May 20, 1875, which is how we end up with 149+-year-old senior citizens."

Your IQ isn't 160. No one's is.

 
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If COBOL is so problematic, why does the US government still use it?
"According to Manjeet Rege, data science and software engineering professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Engineering, one of the most common placeholder dates is May 20, 1875. Why that date? Because that's the beginning of time according to the ISO 8601 time and date standard.

Now, you may well ask why the standard makers picked that seemingly arbitrary date? The answer is it's not arbitrary at all, just obscure. It's the anniversary of the International Bureau of Weight and Measures creation date, aka the metric system.

What that means in practice is that, in at least some cases, if someone applies for Social Security without a birth date, they'd automatically be assigned a birthdate of May 20, 1875, which is how we end up with 149+-year-old senior citizens."

Your IQ isn't 160. No one's is.

That's nothing to do with what Elon's team found with the social security ages, since there was no clusters at 150 years old and the results more or less fitted a normal distribution curve.
 

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That's nothing to do with what Elon's team found with the social security ages, since there was no clusters at 150 years old and the results more or less fitted a normal distribution curve.
If musk's team has found proofs of tangible frauds, why didn't they name anyone? Do you know that there are currently more than 75 suits against what doge has done and government side hasn't got the upper hand once? Amy Gleason had no idea that she was doge administrator. Musk sent out a second email asking federal employees to name 5 things they have done the week before because his previous email didn't work? Omnishambles or not?
 

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If musk's team has found proofs of tangible frauds, why didn't they name anyone? Do you know that there are currently more than 75 suits against what doge has done and government side hasn't got the upper hand once? Amy Gleason had no idea that she was doge administrator. Musk sent out a second email asking federal employees to name 5 things they have done the week before because his previous email didn't work? Omnishambles or not?
Who said they found any fraud? The distribution shows a significant number of errors. It has to be investigated before anybody can say whether there's any fraud and to what extent; however, in numbers that high, it would be reasonable to assume that there's some fraud contribution. What it shows is lack of either competence or will to maintain the database. You have to ask yourself why.
 

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If COBOL is so problematic, why does the US government still use it?
"According to Manjeet Rege, data science and software engineering professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Engineering, one of the most common placeholder dates is May 20, 1875. Why that date? Because that's the beginning of time according to the ISO 8601 time and date standard.

Now, you may well ask why the standard makers picked that seemingly arbitrary date? The answer is it's not arbitrary at all, just obscure. It's the anniversary of the International Bureau of Weight and Measures creation date, aka the metric system.

What that means in practice is that, in at least some cases, if someone applies for Social Security without a birth date, they'd automatically be assigned a birthdate of May 20, 1875, which is how we end up with 149+-year-old senior citizens."

Your IQ isn't 160. No one's is.
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COBOL was once revolutionary. It's just that no one expected its code to survive this long
 

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You have to ask yourself why.
If they could have asked those whose records are not up to date for the missing information, presumably those records may already have been amended. My guess is the incomplete records are not updated because there are no claimants associated with them so the update is not a priority until now, even during trump's first term.
 

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If COBOL is so problematic, why does the US government still use it?
"According to Manjeet Rege, data science and software engineering professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Engineering, one of the most common placeholder dates is May 20, 1875. Why that date? Because that's the beginning of time according to the ISO 8601 time and date standard.

Now, you may well ask why the standard makers picked that seemingly arbitrary date? The answer is it's not arbitrary at all, just obscure. It's the anniversary of the International Bureau of Weight and Measures creation date, aka the metric system.

What that means in practice is that, in at least some cases, if someone applies for Social Security without a birth date, they'd automatically be assigned a birthdate of May 20, 1875, which is how we end up with 149+-year-old senior citizens."

Your IQ isn't 160. No one's is.

"If someone applies for Social Security without a BIRTH DATE". Try and *Think* about that line.. have you ever applied for Anything official without a Birth Date and PROOF of same?
No proof of birth date, no Soc Sec number, no benefits, delete baby delete. Simples! ;)
 

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"If someone applies for Social Security without a BIRTH DATE". Try and *Think* about that line.. have you ever applied for Anything official without a Birth Date and PROOF of same?
No proof of birth date, no Soc Sec number, no benefits, delete baby delete. Simples! ;)
In this example of wrong information in SSA record below, read how difficult it is if you ever want to defraud the IRS or SSA.
Note that the person is born in the USA.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialSecurity/comments/nc0c9x
 

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In this example of wrong information in SSA record below, read how difficult it is if you ever want to defraud the IRS or SSA.
Note that the person is born in the USA.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SocialSecurity/comments/nc0c9x
Something wrong with that story?
He registered at a bank? with one birth date and Cert, and was paying taxes with same *wrong* details.
Then registered with the IRS with Another birth date and Cert. Why did he need to re-register?
Maybe his mum was claiming for 2 sons instead of 1?
 

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If they could have asked those whose records are not up to date for the missing information, presumably those records may already have been amended. My guess is the incomplete records are not updated because there are no claimants associated with them so the update is not a priority until now, even during trump's first term.
The whole point is that those records did exist and were active. Who is responsible for the integrity of the database? Who audits it? Why didn't they see it? Why didn't they fix it.

When I worked in industry, I was responsible for many databases, either inherited or self-made. With the inherited ones, the first thing I did was check the plausibility of the data, then the integrity. In all cases, the data was wildly incorrect, so my first task was to sort it out.

One would expect Government departments to have procedures for auditing and quality control departments to keep the databases accurate, unless there was an instruction or guideline to stop that. It's not laziness, nor incompetence. Musk's team found it on day one, and they don't even work there. I suspect that the reason they checked is because they are suspicious about postal votes. All you need for a postal vote is a national insurance number and an address. Audits already showed that addresses were fake.

Did you know that 43% of George Galloway's votes in the Rochdale bi-election were postal. That compares with a 4% average, which used to be about 0.05% pre-covid. I also heard that in the last general election, David Lammy, Angela Rayner, Rachel from accounts and Jess Phillips all had a substantially disproportionate number of postal votes compared with other MPs.
 
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Something wrong with that story?
He registered at a bank? with one birth date and Cert, and was paying taxes with same *wrong* details.
Then registered with the IRS with Another birth date and Cert. Why did he need to re-register?
Maybe his mum was claiming for 2 sons instead of 1?
The keypoint is when mistakes are made, the old records still live on, new records are created with corrected information. This keeps referencing intact and allows for back checking because if an old transaction referred to an old record (the one containing wrong or missing information), that faulty record can still be found and the dataset is still consistent.
 
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"Celent estimate that 80% or more of the $200 billion spent by banks on IT is maintaining legacy systems."

 
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"Celent estimate that 80% or more of the $200 billion spent by banks on IT is maintaining legacy systems."

What a load of ball-cocks. The statement in the first link isn't verified by the data in the second one. Then we have 80% of IT money is spent on maintaining legacy systems. I'm no expert, but that might be because 80% of systems are legacy systems!

You would find the same age distribution for any engineers, sewage workers, builders, bank workers, council workers and many other jobs
 
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they only updated the dwp computers to win 10 not long ago n win 11 wont run on that old tat :rolleyes:
 
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