Prices of the electricity we use to charge

[AndyBike]

So we can pretend we are net zero and nuekleer free! Ha ha.

I'm surprised that the critics seem to think these things happen overnight, and a year down the line the tech will be such that you can drive across Europe on a single charge, with the heater on full, the radio blasting and 4 passengers plus luggage.

It will probably take EV as long as it has taken the petrol engine to reach those heady figures. 50 years or thereabouts.

To suggest otherwise are just the ramblings of the intellectually challenged.

 

[lenny]

 

[Woosh]

Consultation launched over petrol car phase-out

"Last month, Ford said the UK government's mandate to produce and sell more electric vehicles (EVs) "just doesn't work" without demand. "

"Labour has said it intends to reinstate the 2030 target as part of its wider commitments to climate change policy, but it will consult on how the "direction of travel" for the policy will work. "

I think the problem is legacy automakers don't have the money to invest in new plants and shutdown old ones.
We in the west (and also in Japan and South Korea) finance our investments with borrowing. We loathe any project that involves government subsidies, causing opposition to projects that are not low hanging fruits. We load the cost of financing onto the cost of production so much that makes our products uncompetitive. We are at a disadvantage competing against directed economies like communist China where the financing cost is shared between the state and investors.

I'm surprised that the critics seem to think these things happen overnight, and a year down the line the tech will be such that you can drive across Europe on a single charge, with the heater on full, the radio blasting and 4 passengers plus luggage.

It will probably take EV as long as it has taken the petrol engine to reach those heady figures. 50 years or thereabouts.

To suggest otherwise are just the ramblings of the intellectually challenged.

Not overnight but in a couple of years. The cost of LFP cells is currently $53/kwh, making a 70kwh pack cost less than an average ICE motor. The main issue facing European automakers is they pay typically twice the price Chinese competitors for their battery packs and labour.

 

[flecc]

I think the problem is legacy automakers don't have the money to invest in new plants and shutdown old ones.
We in the west (and also in Japan and South Korea) finance our investments with borrowing. We loathe any project that involves government subsidies, causing opposition to projects that are not low hanging fruits. We load the cost of financing onto the cost of production so much that makes our products uncompetitive. We are at a disadvantage competing against directed economies like communist China where the financing cost is shared between the state and investors.

Not overnight but in a couple of years. The cost of LFP cells is currently $53/kwh, making a 70kwh pack cost less than an average ICE motor. The main issue facing European automakers is they pay typically twice the price Chinese competitors for their battery packs and labour.

We are never going to be able to compete with the Orient, so our western manufacturers are on the right lines by going upmarket with fewer sales at high margins. Our consumers seem to like that too, few ever bought Citroen 2CVs and few buy Dacia now.

That fewer cars policy suits governments too, but they are being schizophrenic by wanting ever higher percentages of EVs. The two cannot happen in a free market, it can only happen with enforcement by physical prevention of i.c. ownership, new or second hand, rather like the rigidly controlled and limited car ownership in Singapore.

But any government introducing that had better lock themselves into office, since they'd never get elected again.
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[Woosh]

Merry Christmas everyone!