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MikelBikel

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Ireland has joined the chat, hehe..
Wow, several Logical Fallacies there..
Ad Hominem
Straw Man
False comparison.. list goes on!
"Sweden, Germany, Austria, Slovenia, Italy, Norway, Denmark and France all currently claim to be in exceptional circumstances."
Scandinavian too are shutting up shop. No more 'benefit tourists' is the nice way of putting it.
We remember Dublin
We remember Solingen
We remember Southport
Because we have memories that work, some pretend not to.
I especially like the forthright Polish attitude to this.
 

MikelBikel

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Someone here likes pictures of that 20th C Italian leader. Well, his descendent is alive and well, and chairman in the EUssr, wow! :p
 

flecc

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We live right now, when people can not afford a home.

Millions of them are devoting a vast proportion of their earnings to the competition with others to put a roof over their heads, even to the extent that they have little left to spend on other things - the sort of things that I warrant, you and I were easily able to afford.

And why is this?

It is because we are importing so many people even legally - with visas - that our construction industry can not keep up with the number of homes required to even keep pace with the rising numbers, let alone the backlog of never constructed homes to house the ten or eleven million people who were not born in this land who have come here since the mid 1990s.

THIS is why your children if you have them, can barely afford a home, be it rented or bought on mortgage. THIS is why the multiple of salary allowed in the building society affordability test has risen from the three times annual salary that it was when i bought my first house to five or seven, depending on where the desired house is.
It is not immigration that causes our housing problem, it is our terrible housing market.

West Germany in 1950 had a 51 million population. Then during partition they absorbed 3 million fleeing from East Germany.

In the 1960s they opened access to over two thirds of a million Turkish workers plus many others from elsewhere to n meet their labour needs, leading to 3 millions of Turkish origin in their population now.

Then re-integration of Germany meant absorbing a staggering 16.4 millions, not all with homes since the crippled economy of the East led to huge numbers moving into their West.

The EU's open borders added many more, then with Angela Merkel's blessing they absorbed vast numbers of immigrants fleeing the many conflicts of Iraq, Afghanistan, the Middle East and Africa.

The result? That former 51 million population became 84.5 million, without any housing problems. That 66% increase completely dwarfs the 17% increase from the mid '90s of the 10 millions you complain of here. It also dwarfs our entire population increase from 1950 to date of 35%.

How did they cope? Because Germany has a sensible housing market based largely upon renting with controlled rents, showing that a well run country can easily cope with such fluctuations.

We once had a housing market like that, based on renting with controlled and easily affordable rents. As well as the investors providing that housing we also had charitable housing institutions, Guinness, Peabody and Nuffield being notable ones.

What happened? The Tories happened. A new Conservative government passed the Rent Act 1957. Coming into effect on 6 July, the 1957 act immediately decontrolled all dwelling houses. My parents rent doubled instantly.

It was still just about affordable but left them worried, since my father was at an age when he could no longer get a full term mortgage and retirement on the pathetic pension at that time was looming in the not too distant future. That is why I bought a quality home for them to live in free of charge for the second half of their lives, so they were lucky. Huge numbers weren't.

Since then other Tory governments have wrought further damage with ill conceived decisons like right to buy, as you've acknowledged.

But it's not only government to blame, the British public's obsession with regarding a property as an investment rather then just being a home is also to blame , quite literally enthusiastically encouraging house price inflation by their actions.

We don't need to cut immigration and certainly shouldn't blame immigrants for our incompetence. We just need to undo the past and get back to a sensible controlled rent market. It's not just Germany doing that, much of Europe does too and even the USA has a huge rental market, nobody buys a home in New York.

So time to stop kicking the immigrants we need and can't manage without and time to put our house(ing) in order.
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Chainring

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Delusional propaganda right out of the Kremlin.

I cant believe you REALLY think this is true. The Russians lost about 40,000 killed and wounded last month. Why do you think that Putin has hired 100,000 North Korean slave soldiers - swapped for tankers of oil.

I think in the end, the giant Russian population and their allies in NK will eventually supply enough cannon fodder to ultimately over run the far smaller Ukrainian population of soldiers, but all that has been seen since the beginning of the war is that Russia is only capable of supplying vast numbers of men who are compelled to walk forward, ill-equipped and resourced into the killing zone. Their equipment is hopeless, their logistics are utterly inadequate and all they have is numbers. Let's be clear - a so called super power, thought it would walk into Kiev in a few days and nearly three years later it is bogged down with a million casualties in fighting a population a quarter its size.

Putin hoped to see off NATO and show how invincible he was. In fact, he showed exactly the opposite. They got their ar ses kicked for two and a half years and in the end, only the reluctance of allies to supply arms to Ukraine stopped his men being completely defeated.

In the end - what troubles me is why should people in Ukraine be the slaves of the Russian empire? They have EVERY right to choose their own leaders and their own associations without consulting Russia. I don't care what they choose as long as it is THEY who choose it.
Where did you get those figures from? I watch, on the Odysee channel, The Duran, Alex Christoforou, Alexander Mercouris, The New Atlas, Russia Today, (which our 'government' attempted to block and prevent us from seeing). If you install the Tor browser, you can go to it directly. I read Tass, Sputnik and recently found Pravda, although I find that hard-going. There is the Military Summary Channel, which I find hard with my eyesight, but the info is there. Of course, there are sources in the UK, but we all know what they have done for us over the past five years. The WEF puppet Starmer insists on poking The Bear. If Russia does send a missile this way, I live near a RN base, a munitions/missile supply depot and what is left of a dockyard. My time may be short!
 

Chainring

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Oh, I forgot. The Russian MOD channel is on Telegram, which you can watch and form your own opinion.
 

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What makes you think Manchuria is in question, that is another Western fantasy. The whole point of Putin's peace agreements with China from 2003 to the present was to end the long history of border conflict, open the border and repopulate eastern Russia, something that Russia itself had miserably failed to achieve.
why do you think Russia is the only country wanting Crimea and Ukraine back?
Mongolia, Manchuria were Chinese territory until Japan occupied it.
 

flecc

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why do you think Russia is the only country wanting Crimea and Ukraine back?
They wanted Crimea for three good reasons:

1) Historically it had always been Russian territory, occupied by the Russian Tartar people for hundreds of years. The USSR awarding it to the Ukrainian Socialist Soviet Republic was a silly mistake, assuming the USSR would last for ever:

"On April 26, 1954 The decree of the Presidium of the USSR Supreme Soviet transfered the Crimea Oblast from the Russian SFSR to the Ukrainian SSR."

2) It had long been the base of the Southern Russian fleet, vital since their Northern fleet regularly gets iced in,

3) The Ukrainians had no use for Crimea and still don't have. They rely on farming and mining, but Crimea is a riverless desert useless for agriculture, and with no mineral deposits. Their wanting Crimea now is classic "Dog in the Manger", "we've got no use for it but we'll make sure no-one else benefits."
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Mongolia, Manchuria were Chinese territory until Japan occupied it.
I know, but as I explained, Putin has no problem with them slowly becoming de facto Chinese again. The joint plan he and Jingpin have is very long term, reaching far beyond their own lifetimes. The only way that can change is if Putin is planning to double cross Jingpin, but I doubt he'd be that big a fool to try.
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1) Historically it had always been Russian territory, occupied by the Russian Tartar people for hundreds of years. The USSR awarding it to the Ukrainian Socialist Soviet Republic was a silly mistake, assuming the USSR would last for ever:
you could apply the same reasoning. Mongolia, Manchuria and China were in the same empire until the 19th century. There are still plenty of Chinese maps where those territories are still marked as 'Chinese'. Without the respect for international laws and treaties, any country can just do like Putin did, invent a pretext and grab some land.
 

flecc

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I especially like the forthright Polish attitude to this.
He's got a nerve and so have all the Polish on this matter. They came out of the USSR crippled and bankrupt and were later rescued by EU. But they still failed and had very high unemployment which they solved by flooding the rest of Europe with their workers, taking native jobs with their cheap labour. Eventually with extensive EU help their economy recovered to its present healthy state.

Everything they boast about now is entirely due to the EU and the employment help they got from the other EU countries, even in Britain's case providing them with free transport.

I'm sick of Poland and Hungary, both religious nut cases, and their constant complaining about the EU and refusal to obey it's rules. Time for the EU to invoice them with all that financial help, and then eject them from the Union.
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flecc

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you could apply the same reasoning. Mongolia, Manchuria and China were in the same empire until the 19th century. There are still plenty of Chinese maps where those territories are still marked as 'Chinese'. Without the respect for international laws and treaties, any country can just do like Putin did, invent a pretext and grab some land.
Not the same at all, there is no pretext. The Southern Fleet is the very big difference and the fact that Russia didn't give the Crimea to an independent country or ever intend to. If Ukraine had ever won the Crimea by war or agreement with Russia, that would be a very different matter. But they didnt and have no use for it anyway. Their claim is just spite.

Do you really think worthless Crimea and NATO membership is worth all that Ukraine and its people have suffered?
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Do you really think worthless Crimea and NATO membership is worth all that Ukraine and its people have suffered?
He put more than 100,000 troops at the border and we were still debating will he, won't he.
I think Putin started the war in Ukraine because he thought we are all mouth and no trousers. Putin's action reminds many of us when Hitler invaded Poland. Just ask yourself why he called it 'sopecial military action'. Was it because Ukrainians don't exist/count, they are all rebelling Russians? Our popular reaction was then to support Ukraine's resistance. That's still true today, 3 years later.
 

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