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Yeah, leave them in Azerbaijan. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Did they all walk there? How many planes? Think of the C O 2!
There are 100 billions of dollars on the table there to compensate for the adverse consequences of CO2 on third world countries. So should they not come to Baku?
 

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hs2 it goes 200 mph and the driver is blind and can only push one button at a time :p
 
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There are 100 billions of dollars on the table there to compensate for the adverse consequences of CO2 on third world countries. So should they not come to Baku?
There'll be nothing on the table except champagne And caviar for the 'etile'.
CO2 is greening the world, increasing crop growth to feed people. Which some don't seem to like! Let them stay in Azerbaijan and we'll buy Azerbaijanian oil. :)
Here's your guru?
 
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There'll be nothing on the table except champagne And caviar for the 'etile'.
CO2 is greening the world, increasing crop growth to feed people. Which some don't seem to like! Let them stay in Azerbaijan and we'll buy Azerbaijanian oil. :)
Do you drive to work?
How about the younger members of your family? Does anyone close to you suffer from asthma?
 

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Get the oil, and quick, we can't all go south for the winter! ;)
 

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@mikeIbikel, years ago, I walked on beaches full of pebble sized lumps of oil residues from the Torrey Canyon then a few years later, the same thing happened when the Amoco Cadiz sank. Oil was a necessary evil. As soon as we can, we should phase it out.
 

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Yes, give money, give us more money, and magic will happen, carbon will disappear into the 'offset'. Yes, carbon based lifeforms like you and me.
 

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"Carbon Credits" are the modern day equivalent of medieval 'Religious 'Indulgences. Whereby one bought one's way into heaven with Money to one's church, kerching! ;)
 

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CATL starts supplying samples of their solid state batteries. 500WH per kg!
 
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Do you drive to work?
How about the younger members of your family? Does anyone close to you suffer from asthma?
Until we discovered how to use fossil fuels, almost everybody lived in poverty and on the edge of starvation. By contemporary standards, barely anyone knew what well being was.

The pre-industrial world was not the of Garden of Eden. It was far from that.

Most people lived on a handful of peas and about 5kg a year of bacon fat. If they had a couple of yards of coarse cloth a year to clothe themselves, they were lucky. The average life expectancy was around forty. FOSSIL FUELS changed all of that and don't forget it.

Try moving some earth with your own muscle power. Just try digging a hole a yard deep and a yard each side and and move the earth five yards into a pile. A diesel bull dozer will do that in six seconds and be ready to start again immediately. It would take you best part of a day's sweat and toil. If you were twenty-five you might do it in three hours.

Fossil fuels have transformed the fortunes of all of us. We criticise China's record on c02..... I have done too, but look at how the lives of a billion and a half people have been transformed even in our own life time. When I was a kid, the Chinese were starving, moving heavy goods in wheel barrows and riding a Flying Pigeon bike if they were the village success story. All of that was done on the back of using fossil fuels.

Fossil fuel produced fertiliser has banished starvation from everywhere that has a functional society not at war. In 1950 with a world population of 2.5 billion, we had millions living in undernourishment and starvation. The abundant use of artificial fertiliser and fossil fuel machinery has transformed that situation. The production of fertiliser used on one acre of agricultural land uses 5.5 gallons of oil or gas equivalent.

Today, far fewer people die in natural disaster than fifty years ago. Far fewer people are hungry, far fewer people are in abject poverty, far fewer die of disease.

DO NOT expect the rest of us to abandon the thing that lifted us from the gutter because a few people have asthma. The rest of us - the vast majority, don't have asthma.

The most dangerous man in Britain today is not some Raoul Moat maniac. It is Ed Milband.

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"One key way it achieved this was with an “Eco-mode” where the battery fully powered sections of the route,"
So the journey was not "fully" battery powered? What "assisted" the battery on other sections? Was it a diesel engined unit, or..? Oh dear, they can't help lying, can they?!
 

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Cap and Trade always seemed a much more complicated system than a carbon tax to me

[https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminstitute/explainers/which-is-better-carbon-tax-or-cap-and-trade/]
I prefer cap and trade. Trading incentives are not enough.
Look at what the water companies will do if our government doesn't punish them.
Too many businesses would rather spend the money on carbon credits than deal with reducing pollution. They still continue to buy carbon credits from Tesla.
 

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Until we discovered how to use fossil fuels, almost everybody lived in poverty and on the edge of starvation. By contemporary standards, barely anyone knew what well being was.

The pre-industrial world was not the of Garden of Eded. It was far from that.

Most people lived on a handful of peas and about 5kg a year of bacon fat. If they had a couple of yards of coarse cloth a year to clothe themselves, they were lucky. The average life expectancy was around forty. FOSSIL FUELS changed all of that and don't forget it.

Try moving some earth with your own muscle power. Just try digging a hole a yard deep and a yard each side and and move the earth five yards into a pile. A diesel bull dozer will do that in six seconds and be ready to start again immediately. It would take you best part of a day's sweat and toil. If you were twenty-five you might do it in three hours.

Fossil fuels have transformed the fortunes of all of us. We criticise China's record on c02..... I have done too, but look at how the lives of a billion and a half people have been transformed even in our own life time. When I was a kid, the Chinese were starving, moving heavy goods in wheel barrows and riding a Flying Pigeon bike if they were the village success story. All of that was done on the back of using fossil fuels.

Fossil fuel produced fertiliser has banished starvation from everywhere that has a functional society not at war. In 1950 with a world population of 2.5 billion, we had millions living in undernourishment and starvation. The abundant use of artificial fertiliser and fossil fuel machinery has transformed that situation. The production of fertiliser used on one acre of agricultural land uses 5.5 gallons of oil or gas equivalent.

Today, far fewer people die in natural disaster than fifty years ago. Far fewer people are hungry, far fewer people are in abject poverty, far fewer die of disease.

DO NOT expect the rest of us to abandon the thing that lifted us from the gutter because a few people have asthma. The rest of us - the vast majority, don't have asthma.
we now have better ways of harvesting the energy from the sun than pumping oil so why so many people still hang on to oil? Do the MSN like GBNews have too much influence?
 

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"One key way it achieved this was with an “Eco-mode” where the battery fully powered sections of the route,"
So the journey was not "fully" battery powered? What "assisted" the battery on other sections? Was it a diesel engined unit, or..? Oh dear, they can't help lying, can they?!
Rather like the 'marvellous' hydrogen powered aircraft which had two engines, one conventional and the other running on a combination of hydrogen and oil. They flew it almost entirely on the conventional fuel. Then they try to tell you that hydrogen is clean fuel when 95% of the world supply of hydrogen gas is made out of methane gas using a VERY inefficient process that means burning hydrogen is more co2 intensive than burning methane by far.

The cynical compnaies pushing this hydrogen clean fuel pretend you can put it in the gas mains without conversion. NO YOU CAN'T. Firstly, hydrogen cracks metal containers (look up hydrogen embrittlement). Secondly, hydrogen escapes the tiniest weakness in containment. Thirdly, hydrogen is VASTLY more expensive than methane and always will be. But you still see garbage experiments made by people like the JCB one, the sort of con that fools like that absolute t w@ t Miliband will be all over like a rash.

HE KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT POWER OR ENGINEERING.

What did Miliband study at University?

Philosophy Politics and Economics - of course. What better preparation for remaking our energy supply. Oh - I forgot, he spent some time working as an intern for that great man Tony Benn - the Communist Lord.
 
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we now have better ways of harvesting the energy from the sun than pumping oil so why so many people still hang on to oil? Do the MSN like GBNews have too much influence?
So did the COP29 attendees "find a better way" to fly to Azerbaijan? Or did they fly in No EU Carbon Tax, Oil powered, private jets? ;)