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Woosh

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So after 1957 they completely re-routed the river away from Valencia, but didn't finish the job, hence the new flooding. Lesson: Dredging? Just keep digging til it's done! ;)
I doubt that if the diversion of the Turia was better managed, the flood could have been avoided. Most of the damage was outside the city of Valencia, mainly south of the new river.
 

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Was it Dyson who objected to the EU restricting power of his vacuum cleaners to 1600W or lower?
Has anyone of us bought a vacuum cleaner more than 1600W since?
If that was the best Dyson could find, I reckon you too, would find it's difficult to point out just one big case where our national interest was opposite to what was adopted by the EU beside the fishing quotas. Even on this and now we are out of the EU, we still have to negotiate these quotas to preserve fish stock anyway.
I told you an example just an hour or so ago. Look.

Also, as i made clear. It is a matter of principle. Free people can get rid of law makers. EU citizens can't.
 

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My late morning walk.

First time i walked out of my house in more than a week and saw the sun.

Climbed over 300 feet of vertical height to get up here.

After a lunchtime snack, likely a cheese sandwich, i will ride the little Argos e folder over the hill to Greenhead.1000018541.jpg
 

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Dredging decisions need to be carefully thought out. They release toxic silt into the water and how will you treat what is removed from the riverbed.
It is truly astonishing the way some people will steadfastly defend the utterly indefensible.

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It is truly astonishing the way some people will steadfastly defend the utterly indefensible.
did you check the maps?
Paiporta (I think where that picture was taken) was about 50m higher than the new riverbed.
 

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Will new battery-powered trains replace diesel, and are they safe?
"The train is being held in the station for charging due to cold weather. We should be moving again in an hour, or two, and the heating will be turned off, a bus replacement service is not available, coz their battery is flat too.." haha :D
 

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did you check the maps?
Paiporta (I think where that picture was taken) was about 50m higher than the new riverbed.
No I didn't.

I just found that picture and posted it in an ill-tempered rage because I hate the EU with a passion.

My parents both fought to preserve the independence of this country from undemocratic European domination, then to my eternal shame, I and a few million other fools voted to join the 'COMMON MARKET'. I suppose I can make the excuse that I was only very young, but vote I did.

AND then the scurrilous villains in the European conspiracy slowly moved the Common Market into a dictatorial, all powerful body which in 2015 or thereabouts sent our elected Prime Minister home with a flea in his ear when he asked / begged for some relief on free movement for a temporary period.

At NO TIME were the British People ever asked if they wanted to hand over the authority of their Parliament to foreign powers. NEVER.

Then Cameron did the only good thing he ever did in my opinion, and offered the people a vote on the matter. I would literally fight to the death to see that that is never undone. It is the sovereign right of every British person to be governed by people that he or she elects and no one else.


The EU is the perfect pretence of democracy.
 
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I doubt that if the diversion of the Turia was better managed, the flood could have been avoided. Most of the damage was outside the city of Valencia, mainly south of the new river.
That was the point of the video. Work wasn't finished. Wonder who stopped it? Dredge until the job is finished. But "if you're in a hole, stop digging" ;)
 

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I told you an example just an hour or so ago. Look.
was it the one about Cameron or about Orban?
Let's talk about Cameron case first. The root problem was not just Margaret Thatcher but John Major and Tony Blair too, wanting to enlarge the EU. At that time, all members had the veto power to protect its national interest. The reason that Major got the opt-out clauses was because he would have exercised his veto. After enlargment, we lost the veto power. We went into Maastricht with our eyes open. I didn't see much protestations then.
If it were Merkel instead of Cameron asking for the same concessions, what would Cameron have said? It wasn't the fault of Donald Tusk or Jean-Claude Junker, it was the decision of all heads of 27 countries.
You can read more what would have happened if remain won the referendum:

link:
2015–2016 United Kingdom renegotiation of European Union membership - Wikipedia

The so-called "emergency brake mechanism" would have allowed member countries to limit access to in-work benefits for new EU immigrants. This would have needed the agreement of the European Parliament and the UK would need the agreement of a majority of other governments through approval in the Foreign Affairs Council (of Member States).[6]
Under existing rules, other EU citizens could ultimately claim most of the same benefits as a UK national. Some of the benefits were subject to a test on "Right to Reside"[7] for which EU citizens would almost certainly qualify. Most benefits also required Habitual Residence[8] which means that for the most EU Citizens they will have to wait three months before claiming Jobseeker's Allowance, Child benefit or Child tax credit.[9][10]
Under the emergency brake (which needed first to be established in EU law),[6] the European Council (of national Heads of Government) could have authorised a country that is experiencing migrant flows of "exceptional magnitude" to restrict benefits for new migrants for four years (with migrants starting with no entitlement then gradually gaining rights to benefits).[6] These restrictions could be kept in place for up to seven years but could be used only once.[6][3] In this case "established in EU law" means the EU Commission proposing draft legislation for approval by the European Parliament. Subsequently, member states [but specifically the UK] could have requested and applied it to migrants reasonably quickly, with the Commission already expressing that they believed the UK would be justified in doing so.[3]
The "Red Card"
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The "red card" would have allowed a member of the Council of the European Union with the support of 15 other members to return a recommendation to the European Parliament for further changes. This is not a veto as EU politicians could still go ahead if they judge that they have addressed the concerns raised by the "red card",[11] which is named after the penalty card used in football.
Cameron backed the "red card" as a means to support the EU's principle of subsidiarity, which he believed was not fully realised.[12] In this way the "red card" is intended for groups of countries to block or reform EU rules where they think it is their job, rather than that of the EU, to make laws on a particular subject. The "red card" would have joined the existing "yellow card" (which has been triggered twice) and the "orange card" (which has never been used).[13] The use of the "red card" would have required the backing of 55% of governments at the council, which is slightly less than is required to approve directives – which is 55% of all countries and votes representing 65% of the EU's population.[14]
Deporting EU migrants
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Free movement of people is an important tenet of the European Union and enshrined in primary law in treaties.[15] The EU deal would have subtly changed the free movement rules to make it easier for countries to deport migrants from other EU countries. This would have been achieved by "beefing up" the exceptions to the general rule that EU citizens can live and work where they choose in the EU.[16]
National governments have a carefully restricted ability to restrict the free movement of people about the EU.[17] Once a citizen lives in another EU country the threshold of reason for the local government to remove them becomes progressively higher.[16] The changes planned in the EU-deal were subtle changes of wording to permit governments to take in to account where migrants' behaviour is "likely" to represent a threat, rather than that it "does",[3] and would have allowed governments to take in to more account a person's past behaviour rather than just their present behaviour.
The consensus from the EU leadership is that the planned changes would have given nations more power to deport criminals and prevent their return[18] but not necessarily restrict movement for other reasons.
Child benefit
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The deal would have made no changes to the principle that child benefit should be paid to citizens no matter where their children reside. However following the deal governments would have been able to adjust the payment they make to reflect the standard of living in the country the child lives and the amount of child benefit that would normally be paid in that country.[19]
Although many people have questioned the idea of paying child benefit for children living in other countries,[20] it is a logical consequence of the EU's principal of non-discrimination – as migrants are more likely to have children in another country and would therefore be discriminated against by restricting those benefits.[19] If the changes to law had been passed to reflect this agreed change it would have been up to the Court of Justice to clarify if it is legal or there are any unintended consequences if it was subsequently challenged.
"Ever closer union"
In the EU deal, there was a statement specifically exempting the UK from "ever closer union". The precise phrasing of the aspiration, which was in the preamble of the EU's founding treaty[21] and every treaty since is "ever closer union of the peoples [of Europe]". The phrase has symbolic political status but it has little or no legal effect in any of the treaties and thus UK's exemption from it is equally symbolic.[22] The deal explicitly said that the presence of the "ever closer union" phrase in the treaties does not of itself grant the EU any specific competences or powers.
 
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Ghost1951

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Who is this rude man?

Well, while I was out on my walk, I took a selfie. Not my usual practice, and you can see why.

If I offended any of you by my rude and direct ways, it isn't meant badly. Call me neuro-diverse if you like.

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My screen name ought to be Old-Git or something of the sort, but I don't think it can be changed.
 

Woosh

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My parents both fought to preserve the independence of this country from undemocratic European domination, then to my eternal shame, I and a few million other fools voted to join the 'COMMON MARKET'. I suppose I can make the excuse that I was only very young, but vote I did.

AND then the scurrilous villains in the European conspiracy slowly moved the Common Market into a dictatorial, all powerful body which in 2015 or thereabouts sent our elected Prime Minister home with a flea in his ear when he asked / begged for some relief on free movement for a temporary period.

At NO TIME were the British People ever asked if they wanted to hand over the authority of their Parliament to foreign powers. NEVER.

Then Cameron did the only good thing he ever did in my opinion, and offered the people a vote on the matter. I would literally fight to the death to see that that is never undone. It is the sovereign right of every British person to be governed by people that he or she elects and no one else.
De Gaule did see then that the UK was in it only for trade, not political union.
Brexiters should really blame Thatcher for wanting a) to abolish ALL cross country barriers to trade and b) enlarge the EU, admitting into the club far weaker members like you know which.
The rest is just the logical evolution of the single market. It would be irrational to stop Wesh or Scots to live and work in London, so why not Polish live and work in the UK?
 
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Woosh

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That was the point of the video. Work wasn't finished. Wonder who stopped it? Dredge until the job is finished. But "if you're in a hole, stop digging" ;)
As I said, most of the damage were outside the city of Valencia and South of the new riverbed.
Paiporta for example, where most of the BBC reportage was made, was South of the new Turia and 50m higher. If the Turia was finished with 35% extra capacity than the highest flow in the last 1957 flood, it would not have made any change to the destruction of Paiporta.
 

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If I offended any of you by my rude and direct ways, it isn't meant badly. Call me neuro-diverse if you like.

My screen name ought to be Old-Git or something of the sort, but I don't think it can be changed.
Rude? Not really. Opinionated yes, and intolerant of opposing opinions.

Anyway, we already have an OG, OldGroaner who has a very different opinion of EU membership: Link
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Ghost1951

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Rode the £245 Argos folder over to Gilsland, 15 miles and 1004 feet of climbing.

I was wondering how the little 8.5Ahr battery would cope now that the temperature has dropped from the summer weather time when I last made that trip. I'd say there was some loss of climbing power, unless I have just got less fit, but I think it is the reluctance of cold lithium ions to move over with quite the enthusiasm they have in warmer temperatures. There was a bit more battery sag, but not a huge amount. The bike has now done more than 400 miles, not old, but a bit older than new.

I suppose I got home with about the same amount of battery left as when I did the same trip in August.

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was it the one about Cameron or about Orban?
Let's talk about Cameron case first. The root problem was not just Margaret Thatcher but John Major and Tony Blair too, wanting to enlarge the EU. At that time, all members had the veto power to protect its national interest. The reason that Major got the opt-out clauses was because he would have exercised his veto. After enlargment, we lost the veto power. We went into Maastricht with our eyes open. I didn't see much protestations then.
If it were Merkel instead of Cameron asking for the same concessions, what would Cameron have said? It wasn't the fault of Donald Tusk or Jean-Claude Junker, it was the decision of all heads of 27 countries.
You can read more what would have happened if remain won the referendum:

link:
2015–2016 United Kingdom renegotiation of European Union membership - Wikipedia

The so-called "emergency brake mechanism" would have allowed member countries to limit access to in-work benefits for new EU immigrants. This would have needed the agreement of the European Parliament and the UK would need the agreement of a majority of other governments through approval in the Foreign Affairs Council (of Member States).[6]
Under existing rules, other EU citizens could ultimately claim most of the same benefits as a UK national. Some of the benefits were subject to a test on "Right to Reside"[7] for which EU citizens would almost certainly qualify. Most benefits also required Habitual Residence[8] which means that for the most EU Citizens they will have to wait three months before claiming Jobseeker's Allowance, Child benefit or Child tax credit.[9][10]
Under the emergency brake (which needed first to be established in EU law),[6] the European Council (of national Heads of Government) could have authorised a country that is experiencing migrant flows of "exceptional magnitude" to restrict benefits for new migrants for four years (with migrants starting with no entitlement then gradually gaining rights to benefits).[6] These restrictions could be kept in place for up to seven years but could be used only once.[6][3] In this case "established in EU law" means the EU Commission proposing draft legislation for approval by the European Parliament. Subsequently, member states [but specifically the UK] could have requested and applied it to migrants reasonably quickly, with the Commission already expressing that they believed the UK would be justified in doing so.[3]
The "Red Card"
[edit]
The "red card" would have allowed a member of the Council of the European Union with the support of 15 other members to return a recommendation to the European Parliament for further changes. This is not a veto as EU politicians could still go ahead if they judge that they have addressed the concerns raised by the "red card",[11] which is named after the penalty card used in football.
Cameron backed the "red card" as a means to support the EU's principle of subsidiarity, which he believed was not fully realised.[12] In this way the "red card" is intended for groups of countries to block or reform EU rules where they think it is their job, rather than that of the EU, to make laws on a particular subject. The "red card" would have joined the existing "yellow card" (which has been triggered twice) and the "orange card" (which has never been used).[13] The use of the "red card" would have required the backing of 55% of governments at the council, which is slightly less than is required to approve directives – which is 55% of all countries and votes representing 65% of the EU's population.[14]
Deporting EU migrants
[edit]
Free movement of people is an important tenet of the European Union and enshrined in primary law in treaties.[15] The EU deal would have subtly changed the free movement rules to make it easier for countries to deport migrants from other EU countries. This would have been achieved by "beefing up" the exceptions to the general rule that EU citizens can live and work where they choose in the EU.[16]
National governments have a carefully restricted ability to restrict the free movement of people about the EU.[17] Once a citizen lives in another EU country the threshold of reason for the local government to remove them becomes progressively higher.[16] The changes planned in the EU-deal were subtle changes of wording to permit governments to take in to account where migrants' behaviour is "likely" to represent a threat, rather than that it "does",[3] and would have allowed governments to take in to more account a person's past behaviour rather than just their present behaviour.
The consensus from the EU leadership is that the planned changes would have given nations more power to deport criminals and prevent their return[18] but not necessarily restrict movement for other reasons.
Child benefit
[edit]
The deal would have made no changes to the principle that child benefit should be paid to citizens no matter where their children reside. However following the deal governments would have been able to adjust the payment they make to reflect the standard of living in the country the child lives and the amount of child benefit that would normally be paid in that country.[19]
Although many people have questioned the idea of paying child benefit for children living in other countries,[20] it is a logical consequence of the EU's principal of non-discrimination – as migrants are more likely to have children in another country and would therefore be discriminated against by restricting those benefits.[19] If the changes to law had been passed to reflect this agreed change it would have been up to the Court of Justice to clarify if it is legal or there are any unintended consequences if it was subsequently challenged.
"Ever closer union"
In the EU deal, there was a statement specifically exempting the UK from "ever closer union". The precise phrasing of the aspiration, which was in the preamble of the EU's founding treaty[21] and every treaty since is "ever closer union of the peoples [of Europe]". The phrase has symbolic political status but it has little or no legal effect in any of the treaties and thus UK's exemption from it is equally symbolic.[22] The deal explicitly said that the presence of the "ever closer union" phrase in the treaties does not of itself grant the EU any specific competences or powers.
Note - this post has been edited to remove a factual error which confused the Maastrcht and Lisbon treaties.

God - that nearly killed me...

The blame for Maastricht and enlargement partly belongs here - it certainly does.

The Lisbon treaty was actually used to sneak the previously rejected EU 'Constitution' through, that had been rejected by the French and I think the Irish - I haven't fact checked that last remark, it is my impression. As I recall, both nations had some kind of referendum and rejected the so called Constitution, which was then slyly turned into the Lisbon Treaty.

You really have to laugh - The Americans at the end of the eighteenth century wrote a constitution enshrining democracy on about two pages. It is a very pithy and brief document and it has served them well, ensuring that power resides in the people.

Those EU riff raff wrote a massive constitution that was 852 pages long (I looked it up and google's AI told me) and it was dedicated to keeping the people of Europe well away from power and giving all of that to their 'Betters'.

Check this out:

 
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So the "independent (green) advice" to Ed came from a private company owned by Ed!? All perfectly in order, y?
Gas, burn baby burn, but subsidise Gas, And Windmills, And Sunflaps! :cool:
 

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Rude? Not really. Opinionated yes, and intolerant of opposing opinions.

Anyway, we already have an OG, OldGroaner who has a very different opinion of EU membership: Link
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I'll take 'opinionated' and 'Intolerant' any day.

That's one of the nicest things anyone ever said about me... :) :)