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CATL made those batteries only for OEMs at the moment. Just google CATL solid state batteries.
How much will it cost to install 5Twhr of capacity for nil wind and nil sun backup?

5,000,000,000,000 Whrs is what we would have needed this last fortnight to back up the grid.

IT IS MAD!

The plan of a crazy lunatic.

I'm done.

Sun is shining and my 300Whr ebike battery on the Argos mobile is fully charged. Only 20% of those lithium ions were moved over by wind power, and 8% by sunshine though. Very sad that 46.6% were moved over by gas.

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Maybe given teh carbon footprint, I should forgo my e-bike ride and just stay at home festering on the couch and breathing out co2 instead.

It is said that the average sedentary human breathes out just over 1Kg of CO2 a day - just staying alive.

Shhh!!! Don't tell Miliband. He'll have us all suffocated with low carbon cushions.

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"Carbon Credits" are the modern day equivalent of medieval 'Religious 'Indulgences. Whereby one bought one's way into heaven with Money to one's church, kerching! ;)
Control? You aint seen nothing yet! Wait till Musk starts identifying dissenters and dissenters to be, by analysing data from X and advertisers, surveillance by AI of all communication etc. for targeted raids and executions. It'd be far better at calculating death than IBM did for the Nazis. That combined with large scale protests being quelled by the army, and the total inability for pitchfork revolution to seize assets as easily as they have in the past (French Revolution), because it's globalised, added to the sheer numbers of guns in private hands (1/3rd of democrats, 1/2 of republicans)... civil war could be inevitable. I wouldn't mind, but all that commotion will increase the price of curly wurlys here, or fuel further shrinkflation. :confused:

Musk has long wanted for X to be used for everything that people use the internet for: communicating, buying, selling, entertainment, booking etc. Like Baidu on steroids. "To be the internet", and he's now positioned to get it. He should start by selling guns, ammo and doomsday prep/war ration supplies for the civil war, and a state backed cyptocurrency (possibly Trump's own new variant) wholesale replacement for the dollar, so they can disrupt and abstract the concept of wealth, hide and move it even further from the reach of the taxman and the revolution (if allowed to emerge in the first place [see executions above], and succeed) upon failure and collapse of this new regime.

Musk also wants create to demand for Mars colonisation, and create society anew. By screwing up the world ASAP he'll get that faster aswell. Win win. That dude's a assburger addled Bond villain.
 
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How much will it cost to install 5Twhr of capacity for nil wind and nil sun backup?

5,000,000,000,000 Whrs is what we would have needed this last fortnight to back up the grid.

IT IS MAD!

The plan of a crazy lunatic.

I'm done.
Gas fired power stations are replaced gradually by renewables.
In 25 years time, they'll be all mothballed.
 

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Until we discovered how to use fossil fuels, almost everybody lived in poverty and on the edge of starvation. By contemporary standards, barely anyone knew what well being was.

The pre-industrial world was not the of Garden of Eden. It was far from that.

Most people lived on a handful of peas and about 5kg a year of bacon fat. If they had a couple of yards of coarse cloth a year to clothe themselves, they were lucky. The average life expectancy was around forty. FOSSIL FUELS changed all of that and don't forget it.

Try moving some earth with your own muscle power. Just try digging a hole a yard deep and a yard each side and and move the earth five yards into a pile. A diesel bull dozer will do that in six seconds and be ready to start again immediately. It would take you best part of a day's sweat and toil. If you were twenty-five you might do it in three hours.

Fossil fuels have transformed the fortunes of all of us. We criticise China's record on c02..... I have done too, but look at how the lives of a billion and a half people have been transformed even in our own life time. When I was a kid, the Chinese were starving, moving heavy goods in wheel barrows and riding a Flying Pigeon bike if they were the village success story. All of that was done on the back of using fossil fuels.

Fossil fuel produced fertiliser has banished starvation from everywhere that has a functional society not at war. In 1950 with a world population of 2.5 billion, we had millions living in undernourishment and starvation. The abundant use of artificial fertiliser and fossil fuel machinery has transformed that situation. The production of fertiliser used on one acre of agricultural land uses 5.5 gallons of oil or gas equivalent.

Today, far fewer people die in natural disaster than fifty years ago. Far fewer people are hungry, far fewer people are in abject poverty, far fewer die of disease.
And the result from that miracle of fossil fuels?

Eight billion humans threatening all life on earth, including humans themselves.

The natural balance of life and its readily available resources destroyed.

Ed Miliband isn't the enemy, he's too ineffectual to be that. The real enemy is the one thought to be our friend, science itself.
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And the result from that miracle of fossil fuels?

Eight billion humans threatening all life on earth, including humans themselves.

The natural balance of life and its readily available resources destroyed.

Ed Miliband isn't the enemy, he's too ineffectual to be that. The real enemy is the one thought to be our friend, science itself.
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Maybe this is Miliband's plan.

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Humans breathe out 8,000,000 ,metric tonnes of CO2 every day.

That amounts to an annual total of 2.92 Gtons of CO2
Their food production involves 15.82Gtons of co2.

So having humans eat and breathe involves 18.74 Gtons of co2 of the total emissions of the human species.

That is a big proportion of the overall emissions which are supposedly only 37.15Gtons of co2. So of all of our co2 emissions, half are composed of the getting of food and our breathing out of co2 after digesting it.

Maybe Flecc is right. The implication is that we are a menace and maybe (he might not say this, but I will) maybe we should exterminate ourselves.

Well today, the UK Parliament is debating voluntary Euthanasia - so I vote that the best thing mad Ed Miliband could do is off himself as soon as possible.
 
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Picture from my morning's walk. Half a mile from my house.

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Strange misty sky today.
 
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Engineers develop an efficient process to make fuel from carbon dioxide

The approach directly converts the greenhouse gas into formate, a solid fuel that can be stored indefinitely and could be used to heat homes or power industries.

 

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The real enemy is the one thought to be our friend, science itself.
Science is our only hope for redemption.
We'll soon stop burning fossil fuels, then over population then preservation of all living things.
 

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Science is our only hope for redemption.
We'll soon stop burning fossil fuels, then over population then preservation of all living things.
That is what science and the people should have been doing for at least two centuries, but I have no faith in either starting to do it now, or even in the medium term future.

I only see a prospect of last minute panic, too late.
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Maybe Flecc is right. The implication is that we are a menace and maybe (he might not say this, but I will) maybe we should exterminate ourselves.
We are a menace, the first species to break nature's natural balance of each species limited to its readily available resources.

We don't need to exterminate ourselves, we only need to find a way to limit our numbers to the minimum required to enjoy our technological advances, without destroying life itself. Certainly far less than billion humans and probably well under half a billion is possible for that to be achieved, especially with robotics and automation. But only if we don't allow AI so much power that it abruptly solves the human overpopulation problem for us.
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That is what science and the people should have been doing for at least two centuries, but I have no faith in either starting to do it now, or even in the medium term future.

I only see a prospect of last minute panic, too late.
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Centrist and slightly green-tinged governments are being toppled by high prices for food and fuel, the same will probably happen to Starmer's. But it isn't all bad, because there will be televised gladitorial fights to the death in hyper clear 128k delivered by 17354G and mass exterminations by the unhinged far right worldwide, thinning the population. It's nice to have some good telly to look forward to.
 

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Centrist and slightly green-tinged governments are being toppled by high prices for food and fuel, the same will probably happen to Starmer's. But it isn't all bad, because there will be televised gladitorial fights to the death in 8k and mass exterminations by the unhinged far right worldwide, thinning the population. It's nice to have some good telly to look forward to.
Starmer just increased the pain he is about to visit on us by making new declarations today at the cop talks. He and Miliband will ensure they have a one term turn in charge before more sensible parties get elected.

An 81% emissions cut by 2035

Azerbaijan's president called his gas reserves a 'Gift from God'.

Yeah we Brits will take the pain while others glory in the gifts. Not likely.

Me? I just ride about on my bike delighting in how good the world actually is.

When I took this picture just now, about ten minutes ago, the actual temperature was 7.8 degrees C. I'm glad to get back in the warm, but I REALLY enjoyed my mad 250 watt , headlong chase on the £245 Argos-mobile. I saw 21 mph on a downward slope! :) So glad I put those hydraulic brakes on the thing.

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Jam tomorrow ..
It's always jam tomorrow.
What's going to keep the lights on and house warm in this sort of weather, now? Oil and Gas and Coal, Facts
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High 8, low 5degC, and it's already down to 5.
 
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We are a menace, the first species to break nature's natural balance of each species limited to its readily available resources.

We don't need to exterminate ourselves, we only need to find a way to limit our numbers to the minimum required to enjoy our technological advances, without destroying life itself. Certainly far less than billion humans and probably well under half a billion is possible for that to be achieved, especially with robotics and automation. But only if we don't allow AI so much power that it abruptly solves the human overpopulation problem for us.
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Each one if us has the unique privileged of conscious appreciation of our lives. We all won the most fantastic lottery by being here at all. If your parents had done things very slightly differently, by doing it on a different night, or if your mum had gone for a walk after having fun with your dad, rather than relaxing, you wouldn't be here. If a different sperm had won the swimming race, you would never have happened. If anyone was in your place in that family, it would be a different person and those thoughts that you and I are having would never have happened - at least we wouldn't be the ones having them.

Now - that said, who do you want never to have existed, to meet your amazing target of half a billion people instead of eight billion?

See what happens - first the environmentally minded want to set a ridiculous target at COP, and then someone else wants to reduce the human population to one sixteenth of what it is.

The word is Misanthropy - the business of being suspicious of, and despising the existence of human beings.

Note - I know Flecc isn't actually a reincarnation of Adolf Eichmann or Himmler. For one thing, he and they were alive at the same time, so he couldn't be, could he.

He's just having some of the same thoughts, but in a more kindly sort of way... :)

Of course looking at the likes of Caroline Lucas and Mad Miliband, who knows what someone else will come up with?



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I'm having a bit of fun with flecc here. It wasn't actually him that started on the idea of there being too many of us - it was me - following the obvious conclusion that since half of our emissions are from eating and breathing we need to make ourselves scarce.
 
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Centrist and slightly green-tinged governments are being toppled by high prices for food and fuel, the same will probably happen to Starmer's.
electricity from renewables is cheaper than from gas at least in the UK., so the cause may not be specifaclly because of green policy. I suspect that green leaning governments tend to spend more on public services therefore tax more.