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PC2017

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My experience of Ebico customer service,
I will give bulb there due all most all emails I sent have had a decent outcome. There was a little oddity with the energy voucher (on prepay I get a redeemable voucher for the Post Office), the first came through email & the second via post, when I emailed to ask where it was I got an odd response about updating to a smart meter and informed it was coming via post 20 days after the 1st of the month, I naturally informed CS that a smart meter would be pointless since Octopus was taking over and a bulb meter would be more obsolete than me! Of course I actually meant over my dead body am I having a smart meter & CS updated my records to reflect my voucher by email.
 

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I will give bulb there due all most all emails I sent have had a decent outcome. There was a little oddity with the energy voucher (on prepay I get a redeemable voucher for the Post Office), the first came through email & the second via post, when I emailed to ask where it was I got an odd response about updating to a smart meter and informed it was coming via post 20 days after the 1st of the month, I naturally informed CS that a smart meter would be pointless since Octopus was taking over and a bulb meter would be more obsolete than me! Of course I actually meant over my dead body am I having a smart meter & CS updated my records to reflect my voucher by email.
I joined Bulb on their original way of trading, payment by direct debit a month in advance to give them buying power in the market. But with no mobile signal here a smart meter cannot work so I feed the meter reading once a month on the same set day

That may sound vulnerable but in fact it's anything but, since I have always had control over setting the payment level and Bulb have always been excellent.

To illustrate that, I had set my payment a bit high with my much higher winter bills coming up, but then the government introduced the £400 subsidy, leaving the input even higher. That didn't matter since I knew the high and growing balance would all get used up in the current higher winter months.

But Bulb's algorithm was having none of it, mailing me to say they were reducing my payments by over a third, but courteously saying I could still set it myself. I did do just that since their new figure was too low, upping it to an in-between setting which was accepted.

So you can see that I have complete control and Bulb play more than fair.

The only problem is that their algorithm cannot cope with my usage pattern, one which will become very much more common infuture as gas is phased out. I'm all electric, so with only electric heating there's a massive difference between summer and winter monthly usage.

Summer, no heating, salads and less cooking and with all LED lighting my consumption is minimal. Winter with more cooking, plus heating a modern place with vast window areas which lose lots of heat depite gas filled double glazing.

The result is winter bills peaking at four times the lowest Summer ones and their algorithm can't handle the true average Direct Debit without seeing it as far too high in summer and far too low in winter, so wanting to yo-yo my DD at least twice a year.

I've been using a simple solution though. I set the lower summer figure, but just before the first winter bill makes the algorithm paranoid I make a lump sum payment through their system, then repeating that half way through winter according to my usage.

Of course all this will fall apart once Octopus get their tentacles on the Bulb system and I have no idea how Octopus billing works, other than that the direct debit will be automatically transfered.
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my mom has copd so needs a nebulizer to breath so are not allowed to put a pre payment meter in and after 6 years the debt is statute barred so no way they can enforce action unless a payment was made they did try and failed.

and that was 12 years ago last bill said was 3k in credit and owed 10k :oops:
 

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my mom has copd so needs a nebulizer to breath so are not allowed to put a pre payment meter in and after 6 years the debt is statute barred so no way they can enforce action unless a payment was made they did try and failed.

and that was 12 years ago last bill said was 3k in credit and owed 10k :oops:
Perhaps she should look into becoming bankrupt, then change supplier?

That's not the highest energy bill I know of - a customer sold his business to some unsuspecting buyer and went on (permanent?) holiday overseas, when his energy company had finally located his meter, after years of not knowing where it was or billing him. He was then billed for several tens of thousands of pounds, at current unit prices. He said he didn't know where the meter was after the refit 16 years ago, when two adjoining shops were combined. The meter was eventually located behind a large and heavy built-in cabinet and behind a wall panel, by a crack team using a "Strange looking device".
 
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Octopus get their tentacles
Kudos "tentacles" I may steal that line...

Yes, no doubt the tentacles will knock something over or switch something off, although I am a little better protected from increased amounts I still fear the worst...

debt is statute barred
That's a little known trick, although not for the faint of heart, as I understand; no payment or acknowledgement of debt has to be written off after 6 years... I had fell in that trap years ago and ended up paying 1k after 5 years of avoiding it, I had no idea about statute barred.

That said they never let it go, TSB never hounds me for a different debt I had with them (4k)but they really didn't like me getting a DRO, even though the 6 years has long past, if I walk into any TSB and ask for my 79p savings I left in 10+ years ago they'll try to open me a new account, then mention my record of the amount I "owed", I swear they should have expunged the records according to law or maybe they just can't chase me for it, I quite like them having a constant reminder of how I won the game & got 3k in PPI, I was laughing all the way to my new bank. Debt is modern day slavery & I feel for anyone trapped - Debt free since!
 

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they can keep asking you to pay off the debt why she keeps getting a bill but if you dont pay a penny of it then it can not be enforced tho if you do pay any amount even 1 pound it all starts again.

years ago she had a pre pay meter and had a 10k bill and npower point blank refused to remove it as wanted the debt to be paid off via the meter which would never happen as it just kept going up and had to threaten legal action if they did not take the cash so the pre pay meter could be removed and use a different supplier.

and that's why they want everyone on smart debt meters as you have no way out of the debt and pump 200 quid a week in to it or have no power at all and freeze to death.

if tsb still has data on record that you want removed then you will need to get the ico involved.

 
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they can keep asking you to pay off the debt why she keeps getting a bill but if you dont pay a penny of it then it can not be enforced tho if you do pay any amount even 1 pound it all starts again.

years ago she had a pre pay meter and had a 10k bill and npower point blank refused to remove it as wanted the debt to be paid off via the meter which would never happen as it just kept going up and had to threaten legal action if they did not take the cash so the pre pay meter could be removed and use a different supplier.

and that's why they want everyone on smart debt meters as you have no way out of the debt and pump 200 quid a week in to it or have no power at all and freeze to death.

if tsb still has data on record that you want removed then you will need to get the ico involved.

A friend of mine is in a band, and as you know it's tough to make a living in the music industry... so she also works as a Royal Mail postie - she decided a few years ago to buy oodles of expensive recording equipment using credit cards, then declare herself bankrupt for a few hundred pounds in cash, if new highly polished albums didn't lead to any financial success. She went bankrupt, but still has all the fantastic recording gear.
 
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just look at trump and how many company's he have had go bust and still worth billions and there all at it and have been for decades same $hit different shovel ;)
 
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you want removed then you will need to get the ico involved.
I will read that, I have access to my credit report and there is no mention of TSB on there, GDPR did cross my mind however I see no future involving a mortgage any time soon lmao & I think a lot who have mortgages now may also find themselves in the same boat.
 

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i got my work coach and line manager sacked with the gdpr as thought i was stupid and tried to sanction me for not entering in to a contract with a 3rd party provider for profit but dont forget these company's will sell your data if you sign on the dotted line so read the small print for everything.

https://flic.kr/p/Y5Dn5u
and i did have evidence but they was so full of it they did not take no notice at all but the judge did lmfao.


It is not a mandatory requirement for claimants to fill in or sign any provider
forms or documents when participating in a provider led mandatory activity or
programme.

Because it is not mandatory, there is no recorded data held detailing any
action DWP or a provider can take against those who have declined to sign
said forms or documents.
 
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personally I feel that some folks are deluded if they think prices will fall, ever.
Energy production for profit to deliver shareholder dividends, will kill ultimately us all. Nationalisation is the cheapest form of significant, long term support.

Cutting energy prices will take years - power boss

 
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Years, more like decades. From how I understand it, and please do correct me if I am wrong.

The energy "market" places a price on the production cost & in the 1980's a price equation was set for labour, raw materials etc & then a small percentage is added for profit; on the most expensive method of production. However is the 1980's different methods were used as raw materials, I don't think this equation has changed much since then. So fast forward to now the cost of Gas generated power is the most expensive route so a price is set for this method however some energy is produced much cheaper, wind, solar & tidal(if any) and this is causing mass price increases because of the supply of GAS due to the war & mass profits are made because the the cheaper energy is being sold at the highest production cost.

LNG is transported via ships ergo expensive, this will filter down, 15 years will not build a pipeline if green energy gets all the investment. Inflation will put wages up(rightly) this will filter through the production cost.

We could produce all our domestic energy from wind & solar but that energy has to be taken to the "market" and the market decides on it's cost not the production method.
 
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energy from wind & solar
Long term: Gobal dimming (in all it's forms) is somewhat a threat to solar:


Changes in the Jet Stream and ocean currents, could make wind and wave unreliable:


...for the long term, surely we should be tapping eco-friendly deep geothermal for our domestic energy needs?
 
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Nuclear fusion is making good progress at the moment.
Especially in China.
 
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Years, more like decades. From how I understand it, and please do correct me if I am wrong.

The energy "market" places a price on the production cost & in the 1980's a price equation was set for labour, raw materials etc & then a small percentage is added for profit; on the most expensive method of production. However is the 1980's different methods were used as raw materials, I don't think this equation has changed much since then. So fast forward to now the cost of Gas generated power is the most expensive route so a price is set for this method however some energy is produced much cheaper, wind, solar & tidal(if any) and this is causing mass price increases because of the supply of GAS due to the war & mass profits are made because the the cheaper energy is being sold at the highest production cost.

LNG is transported via ships ergo expensive, this will filter down, 15 years will not build a pipeline if green energy gets all the investment. Inflation will put wages up(rightly) this will filter through the production cost.

We could produce all our domestic energy from wind & solar but that energy has to be taken to the "market" and the market decides on it's cost not the production method.
It is more complicated than that.

Big renewables projects need guarantees of profit up front to get investment, and that has to be long term enough and high return enough or it won't happen. As time goes on, if you look at e.g. offshore wind, costs come down and that is reflected in the level of support that projects get.

Gas whether it is ships of LNG from world cup host nations or pipelines or domestic reserves is a world commodity. The only part of supply that could be separated from world markets is the domestic part, and even doing that would give a false sense of security as the world price marches on and our domestic reserves run out.

Use less always works! EPC A or B rated house and an ebike will be affordable for quite some time yet.
 
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Many a small fuel efficient car design appeared during oil crises, and this global energy crisis looks set to be much longer... how long will it be before EVs become smaller, lighter. and more efficient? The trend is toward ever larger, heavier energy guzzling road monsters. :(


 

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Use less always works! EPC A or B rated house
Would wallpaper paste stick mylar emergency blankets to walls, and how much would doing so block cellphone and wifi signals? Would it make my home more likely to be struck by lightning? Could the increased reflectivity of very shiny walls, enable the use of lower wattage light bulbs? Might the flammability of mylar be too hazardous?
 
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Nuclear fusion is making good progress at the moment.
Especially in China.
It won't be cheap for decades, after the decades it will take to properly crack that nut!
 
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how long will it be before EVs become smaller, lighter. and more efficient? The trend is toward ever larger, heavier energy guzzling road monsters. :(
I'm quite sure this is government driven with the full co-operation of the motor industry. Western governments have long realised that it was a huge mistake to allow the mass population car ownership and the motor industry has long been unable to make any profit from small popular cars.

So the same solution suits both, only make premium costly cars which only the minority can afford and which deliver all the motor industry current profits anyway. Battery electric cars are a golden opportunity to achieve this and get the mass population back under more direct government control, without their current freedom of movement.

In 30 to 40 years time the car scene will probably be very different. A minority owning premium e-cars capable of long distance travel, the majority will have or share small, slow local travel evs like the Citroen Ami for shopping and local social use.
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