Possible Haibike purchase.
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That's some good footwork that you have carried out.
For my point of view the only downside that I could see would be the 250mile transport from Hull to me. As said previously I have German relatives and friends that visit fairly frequently, so for them to put one bike in the back of the car and bring it with them isn't a hassle.
You did get me thinking though, as I'm sure that I spotted an Italian company offering good deals, but can't find it again now. The reason that I mention that is that I have sold a couple of TZ250 race bikes in the past to an Italian collector who also happens to own a haulage company that transports fine wines to Maidstone on a regular basis. He always said that if I wanted anything brought across to let him know. The thing that bothers me about buying from Italy even if it was cheaper, is that in the past I have found Italians pretty tricky to deal with when things don't go their way. As I'm writing this, I think I'll forget that one.
I still haven't heard any back yet from my German relatives, but I did hear back about the spares costs which at least was positive info with no nasty shock.
Drive sprocket 29.00 euro.
Rear Cassette 69.00euro.
chain 69.00euro.
Eddie, we deliver to Ipswitch every week, so you could get away with a sub 100 mile collection, or I reckon £20 by courier.That's some good footwork that you have carried out.
For my point of view the only downside that I could see would be the 250mile transport from Hull to me. As said previously I have German relatives and friends that visit fairly frequently, so for them to put one bike in the back of the car and bring it with them isn't a hassle.
You did get me thinking though, as I'm sure that I spotted an Italian company offering good deals, but can't find it again now. The reason that I mention that is that I have sold a couple of TZ250 race bikes in the past to an Italian collector who also happens to own a haulage company that transports fine wines to Maidstone on a regular basis. He always said that if I wanted anything brought across to let him know. The thing that bothers me about buying from Italy even if it was cheaper, is that in the past I have found Italians pretty tricky to deal with when things don't go their way. As I'm writing this, I think I'll forget that one.
I still haven't heard any back yet from my German relatives, but I did hear back about the spares costs which at least was positive info with no nasty shock.
Drive sprocket 29.00 euro.
Rear Cassette 69.00euro.
chain 69.00euro.
The deal got better the more you go for up to 5, so the group buy would definitely work, although I appreciate it's a big chunk of money to lay out.
If you haven't already, definitely try one first. A lot of cash to be underwhelmed.
I tried a full sus Haibike and really liked it, although it ran out of legs quickly. I then tried a Neo Xtreme and found it more comfortable and it seemed faster, so I bought it immediately.
As we all know, but sometimes need reminding, x2 or x3 more expensive doesn't necessarily mean x2 or x3 'better'.
Haibikes certainly do look and feel like you can throw them down muddy hills without falling apart straight away though, which I can't really say the BH does. Durability may be their strong point, only time will tell.
I tried a full sus Haibike and really liked it, although it ran out of legs quickly. I then tried a Neo Xtreme and found it more comfortable and it seemed faster, so I bought it immediately.
As we all know, but sometimes need reminding, x2 or x3 more expensive doesn't necessarily mean x2 or x3 'better'.
Haibikes certainly do look and feel like you can throw them down muddy hills without falling apart straight away though, which I can't really say the BH does. Durability may be their strong point, only time will tell.
I agree a Haibike might suit Eddie's use, but is there any need to spend nearly £4K?
A (UK supplied) £2.5K Haibike would give most of the brand's perceived quality benefits.
Eddie is not far from Haibike dealer Martin of this parish, so I would see what the best he can do is before ordering from the Fatherland.
A (UK supplied) £2.5K Haibike would give most of the brand's perceived quality benefits.
Eddie is not far from Haibike dealer Martin of this parish, so I would see what the best he can do is before ordering from the Fatherland.
Rob
Unless I have missed a model, the cheapest full sus Haibike available in the UK is the xDuro FS SL 26 2014 at £2849.99
We are talking about the top of the range model, that although unavailable in the UK, if you compare the prices offered from Germany on bikes that are available in the UK, and extrapolate, it would be close to £6k over here.
That machine is currently on offer for a potential £3465.
The numbers speak for themselves.
Having said that, my first port of call when looking at Haibikes was Martin. I emailed him, he called me back, and we had a long chat. If ebikes in the UK need an Ambassador, he is the man, boundless enthusiasm and great product knowledge.
Unfortunately, the UK dealers seem to be hindered by an unnecessarily long distribution chain, meaning too many 20% cuts added along the way.
If Martin ( or any other UK dealer ) could supply the bike in question within 10% of the price quoted, I for one would order today. Lets be honest, If I can get the above quoted price after 3 days of trying, and official dealer should be able to get them as well.
The other issue to consider, is why can't we buy this model in the UK ?, big brother seems to have decided that we are not trustworthy enough to handle this "weapon" and that the temptation to use it on the road would be just too great. I reckon that over the last 20 years I have bought around 10 new motocross bikes, and had hours of fun on them, without ever once feeling the need to nip down to the shops on one. It's a good job Honda, Yamaha & Kawasaki etc trust us.
In the past I have bought cars abroad to save big chunks of money, fortunately the big brands got wise to this, and dropped UK prices to match our continental cousins, maybe enough of us need to buy abroad to force the issue, and get fair pricing structures for all.
I agree I think the prices need to comparable between mainland Europe and UK. I do not think any dealer would disagree. However sales are currently alot higher in Germany and Netherlands so until sales take off there may always be some difference. However the difference seems to relate to an extra link in the chain for alot of the brands.
Will do our best to offer you a good price. Let us know nearer the time and we can see if we can offer something similar.
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Cassettes and chains are standard parts that you can get from Ebay or any discount bike spares seller. You don't need to buy anything from the German seller.
The chain is only £22:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shimano-Deore-XT-HG94-10-Speed-chain-MTB-Road-Bike-Chain-/380830666036?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item58ab46cd34
The sprocket is £34:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shimano-XT-M771-10-Speed-Cassette-/301058999950?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&var=&hash=item461883c68e
I wish there was but there is no 350w option for some reason they have stayed clear of them which is suprising considering the demand particularly in the Netherlands. The only speed pedelecs I have access to at moment are A2B Shima and potentially Riese and Muller. None of which are comparable in spec to Haibike. I could probably get a speed pedelec with full suspension from AVE but not that keen on how they look and if you are spending that sort of cash you want it to perform great and look great.
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I am trying to source one of these from Germany - does anyone have any experience of a good dealer with discounts in Germany ? Thanks Rob
Ooh good timing, I've just been trying to find a price of one.
I am trying to source one of these from Germany - does anyone have any experience of a good dealer with discounts in Germany ? Thanks Rob
I just emailed a few to get the prices quoted.
Thats a nice bike, I see there is one listed on Ebay.de for 5999 Euros, so you might get 500 to 800 off that if lumped in with a multi bike deal.
Have you had any quotes yet ?, we could try getting something together for those of us fancying a 350W model, but I an being told delivery won't be until April.
Thats a nice bike, I see there is one listed on Ebay.de for 5999 Euros, so you might get 500 to 800 off that if lumped in with a multi bike deal.
Have you had any quotes yet ?, we could try getting something together for those of us fancying a 350W model, but I an being told delivery won't be until April.
Thanks for the kind words GBCS very much appreciated and like to see some good feedback. I do put a lot of hard work into the eBike market - 7days a week 70hour weeks on average!
As for 350w motors, demand is not so big in Germany out of 400,000 eBikes sold annually only about 5,000 of them were 'Speed' pedelecs.. See one of my blog articles here for the differences - http://www.e-bikeshop.co.uk/blog/post/whats-the-difference-between-the-250w-350w-bosch-ebike-motors-explained/
Regards
Martin
Ciclismo sell them, but they are pretty slow at responding to email, so don't expect an instant response. For some reason I also feel that they could be slow to respond should you buy one and have any warranty issues.
I am trying to source one of these from Germany - does anyone have any experience of a good dealer with discounts in Germany ? Thanks Rob
http://www.worldbike.it/en/ciclismo/detail/HAIBIKE_XDURO_Race_28“_2014/74264
Bikestore sell them http://www.bikestore.cc/haibike-xduro-race-400wh-dura-tiefswweiss-2014-p-209429.html
As do MHW-bike. http://www.mhw-bike.de/ebikes/crossraeder/1923/haibike-xduro-race-28-tiefschwarz/weiss-2014 Marian Jokic is the guy to speak to. He is fast to respond and seemingly very efficient and on the ball.
All three dealers also sell the very sexy looking flat bar version as well.
Although none are listed, it could also be worth contacting http://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/fahrrad_becker I believe that at least one forum member has purchased a Haibike from this seller with no complaints.
Here is another German Ebay seller that could be worth contacting, but I wouldn't pay the l listed price and you might have to organise your own transport. http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Fahrrad-Kaiser/S-Pedelec-E-Bike-/_i.html?_fsub=2889075013&_sid=61993133&_trksid=p4634.c0.m322
edit and another place to look. http://www.amazon.de/s?ie=UTF8&field-keywords=Haibike&index=sporting-de&search-type=ss
I also reckon that GBCS is spot on with the potential saving.
I just reading about the Race on a German E-bike forum, and the opinion seems to be that there isn't much of a market for it and that sales are low. If true, this could be a good bargaining point.
Edit..... Will someone kindly buy me all three variations.
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Martin,Thanks for the kind words GBCS very much appreciated and like to see some good feedback. I do put a lot of hard work into the eBike market - 7days a week 70hour weeks on average!
As for 350w motors, demand is not so big in Germany out of 400,000 eBikes sold annually only about 5,000 of them were 'Speed' pedelecs.. See one of my blog articles here for the differences - http://www.e-bikeshop.co.uk/blog/post/whats-the-difference-between-the-250w-350w-bosch-ebike-motors-explained/
Regards
Martin
Perhaps as you have contributed to this thread, you could clarify a point for us. In the current economic climate ( improving but still not great ) we all want a bargain, and inevitably pricing from Germany will crop up.
We know Raleigh distribute Haibike in the UK, but who distributes in Germany & The Netherlands, is it Haibike direct, or a third party ? I only ask because we seem to be an incremental step up in price commensurate with an extra cut being added.
It is very difficult for a consumer to accept a lack of parity on a straightforward purchase, when pricing can be readily compared in moments via the internet.
In reality, there should be no reason why we shouldn't be able to negotiate the same price for something in the UK, as that on offer in the continent.
I would much rather purchase in the UK if I can get somewhere close to the quoted price ( as previously posted ), and ideally if I can get the model of my choosing.
It isn't just with bikes either, cycle accessories and cycle clothing are also so much cheaper. As with bikes, swap the Euro for the pound and that is pretty much what you pay. Often even the delivery is cheaper, and for some odd reason faster.
Even more extreme is that I buy most of my tools for work from the US. Okay some items get forwarded as replacements for tax reasons, but how can it stack up that buying from the US could ever be cheaper.
When I first started looking at electric bikes, I had a foolish hankering for Stealth bomber (glad that I didn't strap myself up for that one) incredibly it was 2.5K cheaper to purchase it from the US than here in the UK. And that was an all inclusive price, including Excise and delivery and handling. We pay more for things over here and for some daft reason just seem to accept being shafted.
It needs some bright spark to start up a business/website similar to Ebay where by people list an item that they wish to purchase or add to an existing list, then when the numbers are sufficient with other people wanting the same item, a deposit can then be paid by all concerned and a group discounted buy carried out. Just as you have done with the 5 bike offer.
There is a guy in my neck of the woods that does something similar with building trade goods. He just sits at home with hundreds of builders on his books, they order from him and he has the bulk power buying to be able to get better discount than any builders merchant could ever hope offer. All that is done without even leaving home. There must be an angle there for an entrepreneur to expand this kind of business into other products.
Even more extreme is that I buy most of my tools for work from the US. Okay some items get forwarded as replacements for tax reasons, but how can it stack up that buying from the US could ever be cheaper.
When I first started looking at electric bikes, I had a foolish hankering for Stealth bomber (glad that I didn't strap myself up for that one) incredibly it was 2.5K cheaper to purchase it from the US than here in the UK. And that was an all inclusive price, including Excise and delivery and handling. We pay more for things over here and for some daft reason just seem to accept being shafted.
It needs some bright spark to start up a business/website similar to Ebay where by people list an item that they wish to purchase or add to an existing list, then when the numbers are sufficient with other people wanting the same item, a deposit can then be paid by all concerned and a group discounted buy carried out. Just as you have done with the 5 bike offer.
There is a guy in my neck of the woods that does something similar with building trade goods. He just sits at home with hundreds of builders on his books, they order from him and he has the bulk power buying to be able to get better discount than any builders merchant could ever hope offer. All that is done without even leaving home. There must be an angle there for an entrepreneur to expand this kind of business into other products.
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Don't get me started on the US !
I have a motorbike on order that I could buy £6.5K cheaper in the states. I have approached dealers over there, and they have said they daren't sell me one, or they would be stripped of their franchise.
At least anyone trying to pull a stroke like that in Europe would end up in court.
I have a motorbike on order that I could buy £6.5K cheaper in the states. I have approached dealers over there, and they have said they daren't sell me one, or they would be stripped of their franchise.
At least anyone trying to pull a stroke like that in Europe would end up in court.