Nah, it's just a build up of a damp tyre on sand.Your tyre needs its edges sharpening !!!
Nah, it's just a build up of a damp tyre on sand.Your tyre needs its edges sharpening !!!
Being away means you haven't kept up with the law Paul. As part of the 6th April 2015 amendments to the EAPC law, all pedelec weight limits were removed, bringing us more into line with EU practice.I think later on something may emerge which is like a modern version of the C5... that is a tricycle which is e-bike compliant, - - - - - - - - - - but the weight takes them over the 60kg legal limit for an e-bike in UK,
Hypothetical question and reverse logic flecc...I'm afraid you and Flud are guilty of gross exaggeration, inflating a very minor issue into one that's all out of proportion. So what if there are three or four threads about illegal builds, what are they compared to the circa 150,000 electric assist bikes out there and our near 65 millions population?
In the greater scheme of things we are probably one of the most legal areas in mobile society. In the motorcycle world illegal practices are very widespread, far more than in ours. And in the motoring world, breaching speed limits is more the rule than the exception. And as traffic police know only too well, they don't have to look very hard for tachograph fiddling on trucks.
The overwhelming majority of e-bikers are legally compliant with both power and speed limitation, making the e-biking scene positively angelic compared to the other areas mentioned.
So will you please stop the exaggeration and reflect the true favourable position.
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Yes I have been out of the loop for quite a while. I'm surprised they lifted the weight limit! Astonished in fact. that means we'll soon be seeing those vehicles I've seen in China which sit between an e-bike and a micro-car appearing on our roads eventually I expect! The Chinese have made them restricted to 15.5mph the ones I saw, so they're clearly aimed at the European market... but they were very very heavy, over 200KG so I was puzzled about that!Being away means you haven't kept up with the law Paul. As part of the 6th April 2015 amendments to the EAPC law, all pedelec weight limits were removed, bringing us more into line with EU practice.
In addition for the first time, four wheeled "quad" pedelecs are now permitted.
These changes have opened up many more light transport possibilities, which I know will interest you.
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The Government's own Roads Research Laboratory have pointed out the two snags with speed limitation. Firstly it can create bunching, leading to more accidents. Secondly it can make overtaking dangerous if the power cuts at a critical point. Far better to momentarily exceed a speed limit to get past quickly and get out of the danger zone.You would think, with cars as advanced as they are now in terms of the technology side, that manufacturers haven't addressed this issue and built in technology which enables a car to be set to abide by preset speed limits and not go over them, no matter how hard you push the pedal down?
Many thanks for creating a new sub heading Helen. I just hope that it doesn't get spoilt, by clips of illegal emtb's being ridden stupidly both on raod and off.conversation with Eddie so now we have ‘speed pedelecs, non EAPCs and overseas’ and a new category ‘electric mountain bikes’.
Being away means you haven't kept up with the law Paul. As part of the 6th April 2015 amendments to the EAPC law, all pedelec weight limits were removed, bringing us more into line with EU practice.
In addition for the first time, four wheeled "quad" pedelecs are now permitted.
These changes have opened up many more light transport possibilities, which I know will interest you.
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Damn that's amazing, well done Helen! And I see you have already started linking keywords like 1000W to the legal guidance page. Tremendous work and so fast too!Many thanks for creating a new sub heading Helen. I just hope that it doesn't get spoilt, by clips of illegal emtb's being ridden stupidly both on raod and off.
Being cheeky, is there also a chance that you could perhaps make this thread a sticky. http://www.pedelecs.co.uk/forum/threads/cleaning-and-detailing.24065/
I'm sure it didn't occur to them. The probable reason for that is the age limit is not part of the EAPC law that was being amended, it's a later inclusion in the Road Traffic Act of 1988. The DfT has for some years not had anyone specialising in the pedelec law area, so there's more knowledge in here than they have on the subject!Why do you think the UK retained the 14 minimum age limit, not fully ratifying the EU Directive on e-bikes with our own earlier legislation?
Well off-road bikes aren't illegal, but the bikes you're speaking about are illegal off and on-road, so you need a better term so people don't think its ok to use the bikes offroad.I'm not sure I follow your line of reasoning.
What would you prefer them to be called them, instead of "off-road bikes"?
I see your point Eddie but the difference is there is actually nowhere in uk to use a 1000w ebike anywhere...so what's point in owning one...you must break the law and that puts us all at risk.I really can't understand why this thread was even started. As far as I can make out 1000W e-bikes are not ILLEGAL to either sell or own. What is illegal is the use of overpowered e-bikes on the roads etc (i.e.anywhere the public are allowed). All this hysterical ranting and raving is in my opinion complete carp. I have seen more motorbikes ridden illegally than I have seen e-bikes ridden illegally but the Government, as far as I know, haven't banned all motorbikes yet so can we just stop all the panic and misdirection and return to what this Forum always used to be, a place for people to get help and advice (and often a laugh) before we all decide to leave and look elsewhere for help.
My Kia has both cruise control and speed limiter, but not both at the same time. On cruise control you can accelerate above the cruise speed as fast as you want, then release the throttle and the car will settle back to cruise speed. With the speed limiter set the car will only go as fast as set under normal throttle pressure, if you release the throttle it will slow down below set speed, but if you "kick down" the throttle in emergency then it will over ride and disable the set speed. There is also a cruise/set kill switch right by your thumb on the steering wheel as an additional control to disable either facilityThe Government's own Roads Research Laboratory have pointed out the two snags with speed limitation. Firstly it can create bunching, leading to more accidents. Secondly it can make overtaking dangerous if the power cuts at a critical point. Far better to momentarily exceed a speed limit to get past quickly and get out of the danger zone.
There is one form of voluntary restriction that's welcomed by most drivers. That's the lane speed signs guidance on congested motorways like the M25, enabling steady progress to continue instead of continuously being brought to a halt between bursts of speed.
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You need to make sure that your opinion is not directed at the Cyclotricity 1000W Stealth bike. That one is a street legal bike, with a 250W motor.I see your point Eddie but the difference is there is actually nowhere in uk to use a 1000w ebike anywhere...so what's point in owning one...you must break the law and that puts us all at risk.
I,ve been attending private offroad areas for motorbikes over 30 years, never seen an ebike so where are they been used ? The roads..and so called off road , which makes risk even higher.
Changes have now been made to forum to help make this point.
I've had similar on a previous car too, and enjoyed the cruise control on long trips. The objections are to fixed speed limiting of course, either internal or remote external.My Kia has both cruise control and speed limiter, but not both at the same time. On cruise control you can accelerate above the cruise speed as fast as you want, then release the throttle and the car will settle back to cruise speed. With the speed limiter set the car will only go as fast as set under normal throttle pressure, if you release the throttle it will slow down below set speed, but if you "kick down" the throttle in emergency then it will over ride and disable the set speed. There is also a cruise/set kill switch right by your thumb on the steering wheel as an additional control to disable either facility
Your completely wrong again. There's plenty of ways to use those kits legally at full power. Here's an example:I see your point Eddie but the difference is there is actually nowhere in uk to use a 1000w ebike anywhere...so what's point in owning one...you must break the law and that puts us all at risk.
Wow, the forum has calmed down, become slightly new and improved in the process, and it feels like we're a community again
Your completely wrong again. There's plenty of ways to use those kits legally at full power. Here's an example:
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=66212
He's done another one since then, and I know of several people that used those motors to convert old registered mopeds to electric as well.
You keep making these unfounded sweeping statements based on your own paradigms.