New Gtech ebike

[Kudoscycles]

Back to the G-tech. With such a small battery and no gears surely a lightweight (say less than 10 kgs) non assisted bike with gears,would be a better option,you can buy some lovely vanilla bikes for £500 these days.
You don't need many gears on an e-bike,9 cassette works ok with a single chainring and even for a city bike 8 Ah is really the minimum battery capacity to avoid range anxiety.
KudosDave

 

[anotherkiwi]

Dave, Dave, Dave...

You don't need many gears on an e-bike

Ah-ha! You might be catching on, how about "you don't need any gears on an e-bike" for certain riding conditions. Such as riding around a flattish city in a suit and tie...

 

[trex]

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even for a city bike 8 Ah is really the minimum battery capacity to avoid range anxiety.
KudosDave

besides the range anxiety, the reduction in capacity per charge goes up with the maximum current draw. A small capacity battery (5AH) will suffer much faster reduction in capacity than a 10AH battery on the same bike. The same happens to your cordless drills. Also, if you need to recharge twice as often, the ageing process becomes twice as fast.
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

 

[Kudoscycles]

Dave, Dave, Dave...


Ah-ha! You might be catching on, how about "you don't need any gears on an e-bike" for certain riding conditions. Such as riding around a flattish city in a suit and tie...

True,if you want to find a market for about 10 customers but most people want to go up hills at some time,for most that is the primary reason to buy an e-bike.
Do you honestly believe there is a market for an e-bike to suit the city slicker to ride only on the flat to work,surely electric bikes are just not cool such a guy/gal would be riding a Bianchi or Specialised,maybe with a fixer.
The higher power of an e-bike,that is rider plus motor power allows a bigger range with wider steps but you still need gears to get up hills,the low speed-high torque of a BPM motor helps but the additional weight is not appropriate on this style of bike.
I do think there is a limited market for a sports bike with power but G-tech didn't do their homework and are now paying the penalty for it.
It can be specd/designed to give a more broader market appeal but the right bits are only just starting to come out of the volume Asian manufacturers,it's probably 2 years away.
I know you want to hang a kit onto a nice bike but you still have to compromise with a highly visible downtube mounted battery and most home conversions inevitably have a spaghetti of wiring, that for me kills the whole concept of such a bike looking stealthy,sleek and simple....look at the Freygeist or Coboc,crazily expensive but that is how such a bike should look to the eye.
KudosDave
ps....completely off the subject I notice you live in St Jean de Luz...I once successfully competed in the First Class 8 yachting championships in Hendaye,towed a boat right across France to compete,that must be near to you.

 

[anotherkiwi]

ps....completely off the subject I notice you live in St Jean de Luz...I once successfully competed in the First Class 8 yachting championships in Hendaye,towed a boat right across France to compete,that must be near to you.

It is where I ride my pedelec to...

 

[anotherkiwi]

Gtech marketing people aren't stupid. You don't get a job in marketing in a big company if you are stupid. They know what they are doing I bet they did some market research before and they certainly are now - it is called a 14 day trial!

They are doing a schoolbook entry into a new market (for them). I can see where they are going. I don't think their goal is the sub £1000 general purpose pedelec, at least not just yet...

 

[Fingers]

True,if you want to find a market for about 10 customers but most people want to go up hills at some time,for most that is the primary reason to buy an e-bike.
Do you honestly believe there is a market for an e-bike to suit the city slicker to ride only on the flat to work,surely electric bikes are just not cool such a guy/gal would be riding a Bianchi or Specialised,maybe with a fixer.
The higher power of an e-bike,that is rider plus motor power allows a bigger range with wider steps but you still need gears to get up hills,the low speed-high torque of a BPM motor helps but the additional weight is not appropriate on this style of bike.
I do think there is a limited market for a sports bike with power but G-tech didn't do their homework and are now paying the penalty for it.
It can be specd/designed to give a more broader market appeal but the right bits are only just starting to come out of the volume Asian manufacturers,it's probably 2 years away.
I know you want to hang a kit onto a nice bike but you still have to compromise with a highly visible downtube mounted battery and most home conversions inevitably have a spaghetti of wiring, that for me kills the whole concept of such a bike looking stealthy,sleek and simple....look at the Freygeist or Coboc,crazily expensive but that is how such a bike should look to the eye.
KudosDave
ps....completely off the subject I notice you live in St Jean de Luz...I once successfully competed in the First Class 8 yachting championships in Hendaye,towed a boat right across France to compete,that must be near to you.

I think you are stuck in the past.

Literally everyone I have shown this to from experienced semi pro riders to people who haven't stepped on a bike for 20 years have squealed in delight when their legs make the first revolution of pedals on the Gtech.

The largest customer base is obviously in the cities. Most cities are in the main, flat with at most 1 'hill' to tackle twice a day. Wind is the real heartbreaker for non pedelec journeys.

Two people I know are ordering a Gtech off the back of having a go on mine and it's not because their primary reason is to go up a hill. It's about the joy of rediscovering cycling at a level that reminds them of being a kid. Everyone bar one that tried this bike bar one was under 40 and had no idea such technology existed. The chap that was aware of them was over 50 and bored me rigid for 10 mins whilst I patiently listened to him going on about lithium batteries. He was an engineer tbf...That is the biggest problem for your industry. You are not targeting the right people.

My experience of Ebike shops was disappointing to say the least. It reminded me of a little bit of dungeon and dragon stores in the past when I was a kid, or RC model shops. Great if your a fan but not great if your not a fan of being talked down to.

Off the peg sub 1k bikes will fly in the next year or so. They will be a huge seller this Xmas if someone with the clout can stump up the money for a decent advertising campaign or employs someone with nous to tap the enormous market for what is undoubtedly an excellent product that is already a major success in the biggest metropolis in the world.

This is a cottage industry atm but it's clear to me it won't stay that way for long when people realise the demand is there.

I wish I could get involved. There is a fortune to be made here.


Edit. Lol. I want to make clear I was not a Dungeons and Dragons fan. I just liked painting and making the little models.

 

[Cyclezee]

I think you are stuck in the past.

Literally everyone I have shown this to from experienced semi pro riders to people who haven't stepped on a bike for 20 years have squealed in delight when their legs make the first revolution of pedals on the Gtech.

The largest customer base is obviously in the cities. Most cities are in the main, flat with at most 1 'hill' to tackle twice a day. Wind is the real heartbreaker for non pedelec journeys.

Two people I know are ordering a Gtech off the back of having a go on mine and it's not because their primary reason is to go up a hill. It's about the joy of rediscovering cycling at a level that reminds them of being a kid. Everyone bar one that tried this bike bar one was under 40 and had no idea such technology existed. The chap that was aware of them was over 50 and bored me rigid for 10 mins whilst I patiently listened to him going on about lithium batteries. He was an engineer tbf...That is the biggest problem for your industry. You are not targeting the right people.

Hi Fingers,

You are clearly happy with your Gtech bike, possibly in the same way that my wife is happy with her Gtech vacuum cleaner

What I wonder is how many other electric bikes have you along those that have tried yours ridden and how the Gtech compares to those?

 

[Plasmadaddy]

Hi Fingers,

You are clearly happy with your Gtech bike, possibly in the same way that my wife is happy with her Gtech vacuum cleaner

What I wonder is how many other electric bikes have you along those that have tried yours ridden and how the Gtech compares to those?

Amen!

Sounds like we have another SMART e-biker on the forum

 

[Fingers]

Hi Fingers,

You are clearly happy with your Gtech bike, possibly in the same way that my wife is happy with her Gtech vacuum cleaner

What I wonder is how many other electric bikes have you along those that have tried yours ridden and how the Gtech compares to those?

I guess it's like once you try a Dyson. You just know.

Get your wife to try a Dyson and she will explain the difference X.

 

[JuicyBike]

My experience of Ebike shops was disappointing to say the least.

Are you saying you have limited experience of ebike shops? That I can understand.
All ebike shops we supply are, on the contrary, friendly and helpful, and more to the point, experienced in a wide variety of electric bikes, able to give informed and reasoned advice.

 

[Fingers]

Hi Fingers,

You are clearly happy with your Gtech bike, possibly in the same way that my wife is happy with her Gtech vacuum cleaner

What I wonder is how many other electric bikes have you along those that have tried yours ridden and how the Gtech compares to those?

Seriously though. I went to the Ebike shop opposite holloway prison a while ago and tested their 1800 to 2400quid bikes.

Great! But I don't want a stupid, heavy, and ugly underpowered moped.

I want a bike.

 

[Cyclezee]

I guess it's like once you try a Dyson. You just know.

Get your wife to try a Dyson and she will explain the difference X.

Not much chance of that, she prefers her Heinzmann

 

[Fingers]

Are you saying you have limited experience of ebike shops? That I can understand.
All ebike shops we supply are, on the contrary, friendly and helpful, and more to the point, experienced in a wide variety of electric bikes, able to give informed and reasoned advice.

The future is the Gtech and similar styled and weighted Ebikes.

Get with it or go the way of VHS cassettes.

Your market needs adapt to the consumer.

There will always be your core customer. But that isn't going to sustain you.

Less fat tubing, less fat tires, less Dutch style bikes no man I know will ever ride.

Trust me.

 

[Fingers]

Not much chance of that, she prefers her Heinzmann
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Is she competing at Rio in the woman's power lifting too? I bet I would struggle to lift that into the chip shop.

 

[trex]

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Everyone bar one that tried this bike bar one was under 40 and had no idea such technology existed.
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You are not targeting the right people..

Most people I know actually buy e-bikes do so because they need them.

how old are you may I ask?

 

[JuicyBike]

The future is the Gtech and similar styled and weighted Ebikes.

Get with it or go the way of VHS cassettes.

Your market needs adapt to the consumer.

There will always be your core customer. But that isn't going to sustain you.

Less fat tubing, less fat tires, less Dutch style bikes no man I know will ever ride.

Trust me.

Oh! If only you'd told me that 8 years ago!
8 years ago I was still using this forum for advice. Silly me.
I'm trolling on down to book in on a web-marketing course...

 

[Fingers]

Most people I know actually buy e-bikes do so because they need them.

how old are you may I ask?

Ahhh.

Is this the sound of the penny dropping?

I'm 38. Relatively fit but quite lazy. Always liked cycling but hated the wind and slopes.

Want to zoom to my friends and work without getting sweaty or oily. Will never go further than 30 miles in a day. Don't want to look like I'm Mary Poppins either.

I don't NEED an electric cycle per se. I could spend a grand in Evans and get the ******* of a bike. But that's not the point.
Fingers.

 

[Fingers]

Oh! If only you'd told me that 8 years ago!
8 years ago I was still using this forum for advice. Silly me.
I'm trolling on down to book in on a web-marketing course...

I could help you. But I think your stuck in your ways and are dead set against anything that doesn't conform to your long held experience of what you think the market is.

I also think you are being a bit disrespectful by insinuating I am in some way a troll by giving a counter argument.

Riding a bike is like, well riding a bike. You don't own the patent on that. I can form an opinion and defend it without being rude.

Try it. It's quite liberating.

 

[Cyclezee]

Is she competing at Rio in the woman's power lifting too? I bet I would struggle to lift that into the chip shop.

Ah, there we are then, she doesn't need to lift it into a chip shop, just ride it
Maybe if you didn't go to the chip shop you would be able lift heavy things too