This is from the badass dongle's website:
it's clear enough for me, you can use your bike in your garden, on your farm etc - fitting a dongle does not affect the CE marking on the bike.
Looking to buy Specialised Turbo. Can i have it re flashed?
- Thread starter kiaboy
- Start date
Let's say I wanted to open a fairground attraction using dongled ebikes on an enclosed track instead of go karts.
As the operator of the attraction, I have a lot to think about in terms of safety, public liability and so on.
But none of that is anything to do with the retailer from whom I buy my mini fleet of dongled ebikes.
The retailer has broken no laws, trading standards or otherwise, by selling me the bikes.
As the operator of the attraction, I have a lot to think about in terms of safety, public liability and so on.
But none of that is anything to do with the retailer from whom I buy my mini fleet of dongled ebikes.
The retailer has broken no laws, trading standards or otherwise, by selling me the bikes.
I'm sorry, but by selling products that are not CE certified... they have broken the law. What you intend to use them for is irrelevant. You're now getting mixed up between sale and use, which is what you just told me off for
Thats you buying a dongle for your bike... THATS NOT THE SAME AS SELLING A DONGLED BIKE!!!!
Colin,I'm sorry, but by selling products that are not CE certified... they have broken the law. What you intend to use them for is irrelevant. You're now getting mixed up between sale and use, which is what you just told me off for
How do your KTM dealers legally sell off-road or race prepped motorbikes?
They are CE certified as motorbikes and meet the legal requirement as such. Again legal to sell, just not legal to use most places.
Dongled ebikes are not legal to sell at all, and not legal to be used most places.
SPedelecs are like motorbikes, they are legal to sell, but not legal to use in most places. A dongled Ebike is not an spedelec.
Does that help explain things?
Col,
There is no legal bar to selling a dongled ebike, only legal restrictions on its use.
As I said, it could be bought to use as an exhibit in a museum of modern art.
In that instance, the item is not being sold as 'an ebike to ride', but simply as an item to exhibit in a gallery.
Such an exhibit does not need CE certificates or any other certificates, so all that is irrelevant to the sale transaction.
There are some things which are illegal to possess, which will also almost always make their sale illegal as well.
It is illegal to possess cocaine, and it is also an offence to supply it.
It is not illegal to simply possess a dongled ebike, and it is not illegal to sell one.
You can keep hammering on about dongled ebikes, but 'illegal sale' is not your best point.
There is no legal bar to selling a dongled ebike, only legal restrictions on its use.
As I said, it could be bought to use as an exhibit in a museum of modern art.
In that instance, the item is not being sold as 'an ebike to ride', but simply as an item to exhibit in a gallery.
Such an exhibit does not need CE certificates or any other certificates, so all that is irrelevant to the sale transaction.
There are some things which are illegal to possess, which will also almost always make their sale illegal as well.
It is illegal to possess cocaine, and it is also an offence to supply it.
It is not illegal to simply possess a dongled ebike, and it is not illegal to sell one.
You can keep hammering on about dongled ebikes, but 'illegal sale' is not your best point.
Rob, If I get a statement from trading standards will you believe them? Because I'm afraid even if you buy the bike to use as a clothes horse to dry your clothes it's still being sold as a bicycle, and therefore the dealer has to meet the correct regulations for the bicycle.
i don't want to be banging on about this point, but as Trex has just shown, we can all learn something though discussion. I was trying to explain to the op why a decent bike shop will not sell a modified bike, because removing the speed limit removes the CE certification no matter what or where it's used. Which is why it's worse for a shop to do this than sell an spedelec, which some people find it hard to get their head around. I'll get a statement from trading standards for you.
i don't want to be banging on about this point, but as Trex has just shown, we can all learn something though discussion. I was trying to explain to the op why a decent bike shop will not sell a modified bike, because removing the speed limit removes the CE certification no matter what or where it's used. Which is why it's worse for a shop to do this than sell an spedelec, which some people find it hard to get their head around. I'll get a statement from trading standards for you.
