Looking to buy Specialised Turbo. Can i have it re flashed?
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Not easy on a vespa but then we all have a cross to bear [emoji6]enjoy your holiday.
No such thing as a holiday in my life for last 5 years.... I just move my office somewhere nice for a bit!
You know what they say " all work and no play makes Jack fixate on dongles " ......or something like that [emoji6]No such thing as a holiday in my life for last 5 years.... I just move my office somewhere nice for a bit!
fixate on dongles ... on here .... You should see how much trouble I get into elsewhere about all the other issues that are important to me
Holy cow, I haven't signed in for 6 months and KTM industries still bolloxxing on about his dongle. Kind of destroying this forum, especially the 'off road' section.
Col,
Possession of a dongled/modded bike is not illegal, only use in most circumstances is not legal.
Thus it is legal for a dongled/modded bike to be bought and sold.
Thus my post is entirely correct.
You don't like it, but you really should attempt at least a modicum of accuracy before making such bold statements.
You keep on raising the profile of dongled/modded bikes.
Can you not see you are only making a trail centre ebike ban much more likely?
You say you don't want that, but I am beginning to wonder exactly what you do want.
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Never really understood this. My pedelec assists to 25kph, an spedelec assists to 45kph... and both can easily reach 50kph or above unassisted going downhill, for example. Therefore, both need brakes that don't crumble to dust when slowing down from more than 50kph so why would spedelecs need better brakes?
This is a genuine question to benefit my knowledge - I don't have an axe to grind in this debate as I'll make my own informed decisions.
Also, my pedelec has XT brakes which are better than some brakes on spedelecs for whatever that's worth...
Actually it's the obsession about S-pedelecs and dongled bikes which is destroying this forum. They are both illegal to use in the UK so what is the point of conversations about them.
Behind the scenes a number of trade members are trying to make representations to trading standards and the police to get rid of these useless machines.
They are distorting the market and because there is little fear of prosecution most customers see no risk in owning one,but the number of motoring offences that are being committed with their use would soon clear the UK of them if the police started to action prosecutions.
Maybe the release of the new regs in January 2016 will cause a catalyst for the police to start doing their job properly.
Who would buy one if there was a real risk of prosecution and the illegal bike ending up in the crusher.
It seems that this forum is the meeting place for those who want to discuss these illegals swamped by members who want to know and discuss legal bikes that have a use.
KudosDave
Hardly "destroying the forum" we are posting in the s-pedelecs / off road section of the forum which was set up for just these sort of conversations. Can i suggest that if you don't like it feel free to stick to the other sections of the forum. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that other people aren't entitled to their own opinion just as you are.
By clicking on the "what's new" we get all the messages. Regular people will do this and therefore also see the boring and monotonous same old thing repeatedly being aired. So not really new is it.
Makes me wonder with all Col / KTM's postings how he justifies showing them at the NEC with UK prices displayed then.
At least a dongled bike becomes instantly 100% legal just by removing the dongle. Can't see the s-pedelecs / 350w eMTBs bikes being legal anywhere if we accept his arguments.
Also Dave don't think this forum is restricted to UK users is it?
Doesn't it still tell you what section of the forum the post is in? If so, have you tried just scrolling on by the sections that you find monotonous and boring? [emoji6]
You are correct.....we need a new section entitled 'those who want to use illegal dongled or S-class bikes in the U.K.'
The problem is that these bikes are growing,Stromer 500 watt bikes are being imported into the UK,it would be easy to build 800 watt bikes from China.
Ok so you have paid £3500 for your S-class e-bike and you are the unfortunate guy who does get stopped by the police and told you cannot use it in the UK. I suspect the initial reaction would be to moan at the dealer,he won't be interested because he has told you that you have to get it registered as a light moped ,I don't think it is possible to register an S-class bike as a light moped. So you are left with an e-bike that you either continue to use illegally or try to ship back to Germany to sell it or scrap it.
We get some 30% of customers into our dealers who want to buy S-class bikes,we are fed up explaining why we cannot sell them,they go elsewhere to others who don't care.
But ultimately we may be doing them a favour,it only needs a few prosecutions and the police to understand the law for these S-class bikes to have nil value.
KudosDave
People often say that there have been no prosecutions for using illegal e bikes but the truth is no one really knows that. Most magistrates courts are very badly reported now with the near death of local papers, and unless the person prosecuted is a member of a forum like this one which very few e bike riders are, it would go under the radar.
I know people are stopped when riding scooter type e bikes all the time because they look like petrol scooters without number plates, and sometimes the policeman doesn’t understand about ebikes and tries to give a ticket. But many very overpowered e bikes don’t look at all like bicycles either, so if they were stopped what would dibble make of them?
Then there is the case a few years ago where a policeman tried to prosecute a 250W bike because the letter of the UK law then said they were illegal. In that case we all know he got called off, but it does prove that some policemen are keen to prosecute electric bikes; and he would not get called off if the bike was illegal.
I know people are stopped when riding scooter type e bikes all the time because they look like petrol scooters without number plates, and sometimes the policeman doesn’t understand about ebikes and tries to give a ticket. But many very overpowered e bikes don’t look at all like bicycles either, so if they were stopped what would dibble make of them?
Then there is the case a few years ago where a policeman tried to prosecute a 250W bike because the letter of the UK law then said they were illegal. In that case we all know he got called off, but it does prove that some policemen are keen to prosecute electric bikes; and he would not get called off if the bike was illegal.