Jeremy Clarkson Suspended

selrahc1992

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You are missing the point I made, your statement:

"what in the world does a first world citizen know about hard work?"

insults those like myself who certainly have known about extremely hard work with negligible return, and also those here who still suffer that.

Are you unaware that while you were overseas doing that work, there are people in Britain doing two or three jobs over a huge number of hours even seven days a week just for their families to survive? They in this first world country know all about hard work that results only in survival.
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That's true, and i know of some who do that. My apologies for insulting you. I do think, however, that there is a world's difference between deprivation, suffering and hard work as defined in the UK and the third world.
 

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I do think, however, that there is a world's difference between deprivation, suffering and hard work as defined in the UK and the third world.
Yes, largely true now, but those like myself who partially predate the welfare state and the NHS have seen and even suffered situations here that could challenge those in many third world countries today.
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Some people are 'working hard topping up my tan'. These folk really do think they work very very hard, they have no idea. Hard work kills horses.
 
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JohnCade

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You are now several thousand miles away from the discussion.
What an earth does Kwazulu have to do with the proposition that large numbers of UK scroungers are abusing the UK benefit system?
I am related to a number of them and see it at first hand. My sister in law is now a great grandmother. In all her life she worked at paid work for 4 hours. I kid you not.
Do not try to move the goal posts.
Yes, this became derailed when tilson went off on one. Fat boy Clarkson was the subject not a personal highly political take on what a word like underprivileged means. I’m not at all sure I know what it means really because it’s one of those words which means all things to all men. Rather like the word poverty, which the right has attempted to redefined to make it meaningless.

But I know an overprivileged twat like Clarkson, and his mates Dave and Gideon when I see them.
 
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tillson

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Yes, this became derailed when tilson went off on one. Fat boy Clarkson was the subject not a personal highly political take on what a word like underprivileged means.
I don't believe that the thread has become derailed by me. My original post, (No.61) was all about Jeremy Clarkson and his act.

jonathan75 asked me to clarify a couple of points that I had made, (hand-wringing apologist and liberalism) in (No. 64), which I did.

selrahc1992 then de-railed the thread in No. 65 by going off topic and at a complete tangent by introducing racism, apartheid and of all things, concentration camps. I still don't know what these things have to do with Jeremy Clarkson.

Its all academic anyway because he will soon be back where he belongs, on popular TV doing an excellent job.
 

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Our hard work for negligible return is a far cry from dickensinan days.
It was tough war and post war. But still few starved. But has eased considerably. And many are obese.
It however now as nothing. The majority of baby boom plus have had little danger of starvation, hypothermia or infection.
We are fat cosseted with electric bikes to move our fat rear ends.

If your born into an average Indian rural family. Disease and field labour is your future unless you are something special.
Africa and the Middle East have famine and war to fear.

I think we have it easy now.

Personally I think clarkson is terrible. But some one likes him. That's democacy and public interest I suppose.
 
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SteveRuss

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It's amazing , though, how much extra effort and intelligence they can put into getting something extra for nothing.
Love you though I do d8veh, that sounds like the 'something for nothing' speech that some of us have had to endure from most of the unregulated free market landlords in the Uk, for many many years.

Some landlords put in the effort. Most don't in my experience. They just want to sign a 25 year agreement on a 'buy to let'. Let the occupants pay for their house for them, and then most of them can't even be bothered to maintain that property to anywhere near their own personal standards.

I haven't actually noticed many hand to mouth people on this forum. Obviously as e-bikes aren't the cheap option I suppose. There are more sympathisers on here than anything. I am one. And I rent..

I know some people on the financial edge here in Bristol, and most of the reasons for this are low wages, low jobs options or affordable education, and very very expensive living costs. That's why I am careful about how I approach commenting on people on the so called 'something for nothing' scroungers platform as most of the most affluent people in the world have made their money on exactly that platform.

Sorry for the off topic to the OP as well and no offence intended ;)
 
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Yes, there are a lot more renters living in damp mouldy leaky uncared for houses and flats than hard done by landlords. The current private rental situation is a national disgrace with rip off rents and Rachmanism back and flourishing. I’ve been both tenant and landlord in my time and when I let some years ago I made sure the tenants got repairs done when needed, and got their deposits back at the end unless they had really damaged something.

Not usually the case with most landlords then who treated the deposit as their own money.
 
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Love you though I do d8veh, that sounds like the 'something for nothing' speech that some of us have had to endure from most of the unregulated free market landlords in the Uk, for many many years.

Some landlords put in the effort. Most don't in my experience. They just want to sign a 25 year agreement on a 'buy to let'. Let the occupants pay for their house for them, and then most of them can't even be bothered to maintain that property to anywhere near their own personal standards.

I haven't actually noticed many hand to mouth people on this forum. Obviously as e-bikes aren't the cheap option I suppose. There are more sympathisers on here than anything. I am one. And I rent..

I know some people on the financial edge here in Bristol, and most of the reasons for this are low wages, low jobs options or affordable education, and very very expensive living costs. That's why I am careful about how I approach commenting on people on the so called 'something for nothing' scroungers platform as most of the most affluent people in the world have made their money on exactly that platform.

Sorry for the off topic to the OP as well and no offence intended ;)
Quite often, they don't pay the rent, so I have to take procedings against them. I've never actually recovered any rent, but it normally makes them do a flit, so at least I regain posession.

The properties are always clean, well maintained and normally with new carpets when they move in.

You wouldn't believe what find after as little as one year of the tenant, when I regain posession. In one case, two ceilings were on the floor. One of the bedrooms had had a Yale lock fitted, presumably to keep someone out. When that someone figured out that he couldn't get in through the door, he smashed his way directly through the wall.

At the end of nearly every tenancy, I can count on replacing two or three interior doors because they've been punched through. The toilets have never been cleaned during the entire tenancy, neither have the windows or carpets. The carpets normally are covered in cigarette burns and big dark patches, which is why they nearly always get new carpets. One could only guess at what the patches are.

These things are not the exception, they're the norm. I've just started a new tenancy on a house, which cost £4,500 to sort out before the new tenant could move in. The previous one was 9 months prior. That cost £3000 to sort out. There was another 6 months ago. As I was still fixing the other one, I decided that the repairs on this one would be too much to do at the same time, so I sold it as it was and took a hit on the price.

Even though I've been doing it since 1998, I won't be buying or renting any more properties. I'll leave it for some other mug. These people don't deserve a nice place to live. They don't have any responsibility whatsoever. They've never had to pay for anything.

When I ask why I haven't had any rent at all for three months, I get answers like, "we're supposed to get £130 a week housing benefit, but they're only giving us £125.
 
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I have seen all types of tenants in my years with a city's housing department. We have had to go to court to evict the troublesome types who then get a property via a private landlord and will create the same problems of antisocial behaviour including damage to the property.

These are very minority, the absolute dregs of society. Some landlords just accept the rent direct from the social, have no intention of maintaining the property, they suit each other. Thankfully they are a minority.
 
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Quite often, they don't pay the rent, so I have to take procedings against them. I've never actually recovered any rent, but it normally makes them do a flit, so at least I regain posession.
It does sound like you get an unfair amount of the true dregs of society. Deposits are the landlords friend although I understand that at times they may be not enough.

Other than the last two places i've lived, i've never got my deposit back in full. For no good reason at all other than the landlord is a more important human being than I am and it's just the way they think things work.

Luckily we have a better system for both parties now. One where I actually get interest on my stored money, rather than the landlord and they don't get to pocket it for their holiday fund, just because they can. A sensible step in the right direction.

As the whole of the Uk's house pricing is running out of control, there needs to be a rental statute that actually makes it clear that landlords have to maintain their properties to a decent standard. The rules do lean very much in the landlords favour as all the contracts i've signed have pages of stipulations for me and virtually no stipulations for them. We are in the dark ages with rental legislation and that needs to be changed now.

If I was a landlord, i'd personally vet the people that are looking to rent. If I thought they are the types to jump through walls and murder people on the carpets then i'd choose someone else.

That said, many landlords do the lazy thing of going to a letting agent so the poor tenant has to pay their wages as well as the retirement fund of the landlord. The problem with this is that they don't actually care who they shove in the property as long as they get their percentage for sitting on their cheap suits doing nothing.

Clearly i'm a bit bitter about this but I do sympathise with landlords that are decent but get bad tenants however spare a thought for the tenants that, on the whole, only get to choose between bad landlords and ageing properties that they can barely afford.

p.s. We have a great landlord where we live and he lets us paint the place to whatever colour we like rather than forcing people to look at the colour that's the cheapest and easiest for the landlord to paint when they need to (magnolia!). Everything gets fixed in the same time frame as they would do for themselves and he doesn't let himself in when he fancies it (as used to happen to my girlfriends previous landlord).
 
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tillson

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This is going off topic a bit, but I saw a man on TV the other day moaning about immigrants. The comments within this thread regarding hard work, laziness, welfare state and working conditions in other countries reminded me of this video clip.

 

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This is going off topic a bit, but I saw a man on TV the other day moaning about immigrants. The comments within this thread regarding hard work, laziness, welfare state and working conditions in other countries reminded me of this video clip.

He's a comedian. But unlike Clarkson his act is just a joke,
 

tillson

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He's a comedian. But unlike Clarkson his act is just a joke,
Clarkson isn't living in rented accommodation and he's got at least £30 million in the bank. Someone clearly likes his act more than they like yours.
 

selrahc1992

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Clarkson isn't living in rented accommodation and he's got at least £30 million in the bank. Someone clearly likes his act more than they like yours.
Lovely, a life in which money and closet racism is what dreams are made off
 

tillson

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Lovely, a life in which money and closet racism is what dreams are made off
There is nothing racist about Jeremy Clarkson. You are cheapening the term racist when you start slinging it around every time something doesn't suit your agenda.

Also, no one said that money brings fulfilment and happiness. I mentioned Jeremy's wealth because he has earned it as a result of his work. The wealth seems to indicate that his work is popular and well liked by many people in this country and abroad.

I detect a hint of jealousy and chip on shoulder from you.
 
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