Personally i am looking forward to the manchester shop opening because here in the north west it isn`t easy finding specialist pedelec dealers.
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My over ten years in this forum covers all of d8veh's membership and posts and I know he has not singled you or 50cycles out for criticism. As my searches illustrate above, he has posted in a balanced way including recommendations for 50cycles and your products.
Rather than a final straw I think you've grossly overreacted to this one comment, one seen as mildly amusing by some and which could not possibly do you any harm. That overreaction is probably more connected with your long expressed dislike of this forum than any reality of d8veh's long term behaviour.
As previously, I'm genuinely pleased to hear of your further expansion and as you know I've always wished the best for you, your brother Tim and your products and often defended you. But it's necessary to accept that there are knocks as well as praise in forums like this one, for they primarily exist for the membership, who are overwhelmingly consumers.
Sometime the knocks can be unfair, as in the case when d8veh reprimanded someone for criticising 50cycles unfairly, but that's when it's often best to shrug them off rather than react.
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The problem now is, nobody would have remembered any of d8veh's comments and most likely took them in jest anyway.
But, this thread will now stick in people's minds as the one where you got a bit angry and defensive Scott.
Whether that has a positive or negative effect on future purchases from members, who knows, but it's sometimes better to let things slide than pursue them.
But, this thread will now stick in people's minds as the one where you got a bit angry and defensive Scott.
Whether that has a positive or negative effect on future purchases from members, who knows, but it's sometimes better to let things slide than pursue them.
Hi Dave,
Below are a few more examples after just a couple of minute search.
Anyway the point has been made that it is not best practice to just throw rash statements out without some thought of the effect they can have on other people. If you do this then do not be offended if these are highlighted and cross examined. I like a bit of banter myself but when the intent is to damage my livelihood then I want to know the justification for this of which I am entitled to ask the question.
In response to your last reply yes it was an alert on my phone called google alerts, it is a very useful tool and would not have picked up on your statement tucked away and would have gone un-noticed if not for the power of Google.
Anyway life is too short and would just ask that you keep your posts positive and informative as most of them are from now on. All is forgiven on my side.
Kind regards
Scott
d8veh Oct 11, 2016
That's interesting because the last Kalkhoff I picked up (the one with the battery in the frame) was very heavy - I'd say closer to 30kg. I remember at the time thinking that it was too heavy for an ebike.
I can't see how it's designed to be light, when it has a dynamo on the front and hub gears on the back. Also, while we're talking about design, does anybody know why they persist with hydraulic rim brakes, when just about every other quality brand uses disc brakes?
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Fact: Most bikes are between 20-25kg again implying that a bike with Magura rim brakes may not be a quality bike when millions are sold in Europe with such. The bike that is being referred to is in fact 23kg with the battery.
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d8veh, Jun 23, 2015
That's a strange fault. It's a shame that you couldn't open it to find out what's wrong. I guess 50Cycles will keep it a secret.
Referring to a warranty claim on a battery implying that our batteries are not super reliable. The fact is this by the post publisher on the same day. Totally unfounded remark by d8veh
One_Box, Jun 23, 2015
50Cycles phoned this afternoon to explain Company policy regarding defective batteries and their replacement... Fair enough.
TNT picked up the defective battery... we are making progress
Below are a few more examples after just a couple of minute search.
Anyway the point has been made that it is not best practice to just throw rash statements out without some thought of the effect they can have on other people. If you do this then do not be offended if these are highlighted and cross examined. I like a bit of banter myself but when the intent is to damage my livelihood then I want to know the justification for this of which I am entitled to ask the question.
In response to your last reply yes it was an alert on my phone called google alerts, it is a very useful tool and would not have picked up on your statement tucked away and would have gone un-noticed if not for the power of Google.
Anyway life is too short and would just ask that you keep your posts positive and informative as most of them are from now on. All is forgiven on my side.
Kind regards
Scott
d8veh Oct 11, 2016
That's interesting because the last Kalkhoff I picked up (the one with the battery in the frame) was very heavy - I'd say closer to 30kg. I remember at the time thinking that it was too heavy for an ebike.
I can't see how it's designed to be light, when it has a dynamo on the front and hub gears on the back. Also, while we're talking about design, does anybody know why they persist with hydraulic rim brakes, when just about every other quality brand uses disc brakes?
#207 d8veh, Oct 11, 2016
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Fact: Most bikes are between 20-25kg again implying that a bike with Magura rim brakes may not be a quality bike when millions are sold in Europe with such. The bike that is being referred to is in fact 23kg with the battery.
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#4 d8veh, Sep 12, 2016
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d8veh, Jun 23, 2015
That's a strange fault. It's a shame that you couldn't open it to find out what's wrong. I guess 50Cycles will keep it a secret.
Referring to a warranty claim on a battery implying that our batteries are not super reliable. The fact is this by the post publisher on the same day. Totally unfounded remark by d8veh
One_Box, Jun 23, 2015
50Cycles phoned this afternoon to explain Company policy regarding defective batteries and their replacement... Fair enough.
TNT picked up the defective battery... we are making progress
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I'd like to add one comment to that Flecc. I think I know why he hates me. Twice, I've called out forum members as being potential 50C stooges, when their posts were not typical of a normal punter. In both cases, they stopped posting more or less immediately after. I didn't directly accuse them. IIRC, I simply asked them if they were genuine. I guess most people would never have noticed: That includes 50C; however, if my senses were correct and they were in fact 50C posting as punters, then I can imagine that it would have a big impact on the culprit. It wouldn't surprise me if this is the basis for this whole episode.
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d8veh, Jun 23, 2015
That's a strange fault. It's a shame that you couldn't open it to find out what's wrong. I guess 50Cycles will keep it a secret.
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If it's not a secret then, please tell us what was wrong with the battery.
That's a strange fault. It's a shame that you couldn't open it to find out what's wrong. I guess 50Cycles will keep it a secret.
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If it's not a secret then, please tell us what was wrong with the battery.
Please do not speculate anymore. I do not hate you I just wanted to know what your problem was triggered by your cheap shot in the Trade thread alerted by google alerts.
You are not a customer and I did not know we had any personal dealings with you but now reading a few of your posts just now I do recall meeting you at the cycle show with Andrew working for Oxygen and believe we got on many years ago so I am dumb founded to why you would actually make the remarks you have recently started to post.
Flecc is right you was fighting our corner back in 2014. So not sure why you hate us if you would like to use such a strong phrase. Like I said all is forgiven from my side and back to my day job and stay away from forums!
Kind regards
Scott
but what happens to the never ending pile of impulse 2 motors are they the new foundation of the new store 
Yes, I saw both of those. But once again you were far from alone in doing that, and some have gone much further, directly accusing the posters as being stooges.
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Scott , you acted in extreme haste based on a message you received. Instead of fact checking first. A mouth before brain moment .....we have all done it. We are emotional beings
However , once overwhelming evidence has been produced to show that d8veh is not the anti 50c monster......you didn't back down gracefully but tried , repeatedly , to retrofit your unwarranted accusations
That's pride before evidence and factual accuracy
Post truth in the current vernacular
And it leaves a rather nasty after taste for me
However , once overwhelming evidence has been produced to show that d8veh is not the anti 50c monster......you didn't back down gracefully but tried , repeatedly , to retrofit your unwarranted accusations
That's pride before evidence and factual accuracy
Post truth in the current vernacular
And it leaves a rather nasty after taste for me
d8veh Oct 11, 2016
That's interesting because the last Kalkhoff I picked up (the one with the battery in the frame) was very heavy - I'd say closer to 30kg. I remember at the time thinking that it was too heavy for an ebike.
I can't see how it's designed to be light, when it has a dynamo on the front and hub gears on the back. Also, while we're talking about design, does anybody know why they persist with hydraulic rim brakes, when just about every other quality brand uses disc brakes?
#207 d8veh, Oct 11, 2016
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The above seems to me a reasonable question in a review ~ you cannot expect everyone to like everything about every bike.
This thread is an outstanding example of the Striesand Effect.
That's interesting because the last Kalkhoff I picked up (the one with the battery in the frame) was very heavy - I'd say closer to 30kg. I remember at the time thinking that it was too heavy for an ebike.
I can't see how it's designed to be light, when it has a dynamo on the front and hub gears on the back. Also, while we're talking about design, does anybody know why they persist with hydraulic rim brakes, when just about every other quality brand uses disc brakes?
#207 d8veh, Oct 11, 2016
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The above seems to me a reasonable question in a review ~ you cannot expect everyone to like everything about every bike.
This thread is an outstanding example of the Striesand Effect.
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According to this, that bike with a 15Ah battery weighs 26.5kg. Yours has 17Ah battery? In which case it would be heavier. One of you is not telling the truth!
http://www.e-bike-finder.com/kalkhoff-impulse-ergo-herren
Edit: Here it is with 17Ah battery at 28.8kg, so i wasn't far wrong when i guessed 30kg by just picking it up. 28.8kg is very heavy by today's standards when you compare it with a typical Chinese step-through, like the Oxygen S-cross ST at 22 kg. The Kalkhoff is 31% heavier, which is a massive difference.
http://www.e-bike-finder.com/kalkhoff-impulse-ergo-xxl-26-2016
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The Ergo is the heaviest in the range due to the NuVinci hub. I think you mentioned in of your posts about poor research giving poor results. Proof of your own pudding. As I said before I am not taking part of this forum anymore and only came on due to a google alert and was only private messaging you in the first place. You have made a big deal out of nothing it seems.
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Exactly!.That's why I mentioned it. It's 28.8kg. Anybody would notice that weight. I know Nuvincis are heavy. I have one myself. That's why I picked up your bike - to see how heavy it was. So have you changed your mind about it being 23kg or did you get that weight from your mate Nigel01?
Have to think its you thats made a mountain out of a mole hill in this instance.
If as a business you can`t accept some degree of criticism or negativity you should take up some other occupation, all businesses that deal with the public have to accept both good and bad comments
Do yourself a favour and step away from the keyboard now
Or in posts mention 25+25cycles to avoid alerts.Time to turn Google alerts off methinks
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This is a horse that needs to be put back in the stable. I see a lot of unnecessary conflict over a comment. We all say things that rub someone the wrong way but this has gotten out of hand IMO. I'll say no more on this as a good friend once said to me "Better to thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
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