How on earth does he get away with this?

[Phil1701]

Referring back to the OP's question "How on earth does he get away with it?"....easy, it's all a set-up with his mate in the VW Golf pretending to be the Old Bill! The "clues" as to why....
1. No copper ever stays in his vehicle when questioning someone.
2. Nor would he accept any evidence shown on a smart phone.
3. Furthermore, he wouldn't be in "uniform" (if you can call a fake police badge a uniform) in an "unmarked" and obviously privately owned car which btw, is at least 7 years old!
4. Lastly, and the dead give-away, when did you ever see a copper wearing a silly mask like that!

The guy obviously likes having fun with his video productions and probably gains a form of amusement from taking the mickey and fooling the witless!!

 

[Fordulike]

Referring back to the OP's question "How on earth does he get away with it?"....easy, it's all a set-up with his mate in the VW Golf pretending to be the Old Bill! The "clues" as to why....
1. No copper ever stays in his vehicle when questioning someone.
2. Nor would he accept any evidence shown on a smart phone.
3. Furthermore, he wouldn't be in "uniform" (if you can call a fake police badge a uniform) in an "unmarked" and obviously privately owned car which btw, is at least 7 years old!
4. Lastly, and the dead give-away, when did you ever see a copper wearing a silly mask like that!

The guy obviously likes having fun with his video productions and probably gains a form of amusement from taking the mickey and fooling the witless!!

All your points make total sense Phil, which makes the guy look an even bigger bellend than he already is lol.

BTW, point #4 made me chuckle for ages

 

[Phil1701]

Cheers Fordulike... seems like I've done my good deed for the day if I have managed to put a smile on someone's face BTW. The guy is still an illegal bellend whichever way you at it!

 

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he has crashed it pmsl near same as what i done just other side.

 

[NeilP]

just on a side note...is the stealth bomber in the video realy worth £10,000 or thereabouts and at that price i`m sure there can`t be many on uk roads.

Yes, they are about that price..but you could build your own version now for a lot less

 

[NeilP]

True, but not understanding what a pedelec is for is their problem. Your last line say it all, they want a law to enable them to dodge the law! That's never going to happen!

Is it because they did not understand or were just concerned with safety rather than the letter of the law..?? at that time he appeared to be safe..if a bit fast..so they left him alone..we will never know..but probably as you say ignorant of the real law.

I'd not want a 'law to dodge the law' just a change to make e-bikes as usable different means of transport.

But that is not a typical cycling speed Neil, it's only arisen since the British largely abandoned cycling decades ago, leaving it to the lycras.
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I am no lycra...never have been, and 18-20 mph is crating my typical on the flat road speed..no particularly fit either..14 ½ stone, and not that tall..chunky rather than lean talent fit..and I can happily pedal around at those sort of speeds...
I am merely reporting what so so many past e-bike owners have said to me, when they gave up their e-bikes. They spend a load of cash and it gives them no real benefit over a normal bike..they can't go any faster...which is what most of them want..and I am not talking 20-30 year olds..I am talk gin about people in their 50-60's and more. They do not want to do 30 mph..but certainly 20-22. As I said before I have been given / acquired, well over 20 , probably more, e-bikes over the past few years,, all bought and then left to rot as they did not live up to expectations. The requests have either been to fix and sell them or de restrict them so they did a little bit more.


You mention politicians and law makers and what they think...out of touch with the likes and needs of a proportion of the population again.

I'd never want to advocate lots of 14 year old kids riding Stealth bombers..that way would lead to carnage..but older mature adults commuting on e-bikes capable of a 'little bit more' that a normal pedal cyclist..maybe up to as much an average club lycra cyclist, would get a lot more people on to e-bikes and out of their cars.


Maybe if the law was ever changed there could be a class of e-bike..with some sort of plate on the back..not an official government plate..but to a government standard...run by ???that could identify e-bikes..and a speed limit for th use of an e-bike..like the use of cars have. So 25 or so on the roads road..20 on cycle tracks etc. Age limited to 21 years old and above Just an idea...after all, we can have cars capable of 200 mph with unlimited power..but still have to drive them at 70mph...or 40 mph where I live in Jersey..just a thought.

More freedom BUT with much more draconian penalties. Cause an accident due to speed..bik taken and destroyed..massive fine etc.. No idea.. just random idea ..any way off to work got to go to oxford and then southampton

 

[flecc]

Is it because they did not understand or were just concerned with safety rather than the letter of the law..?? at that time he appeared to be safe..if a bit fast..so they left him alone..we will never know..but probably as you say ignorant of the real law.

I'd not want a 'law to dodge the law' just a change to make e-bikes as usable different means of transport.

I am no lycra...never have been, and 18-20 mph is crating my typical on the flat road speed..no particularly fit either..14 ½ stone, and not that tall..chunky rather than lean talent fit..and I can happily pedal around at those sort of speeds...
I am merely reporting what so so many past e-bike owners have said to me, when they gave up their e-bikes. They spend a load of cash and it gives them no real benefit over a normal bike..they can't go any faster...which is what most of them want..and I am not talking 20-30 year olds..I am talk gin about people in their 50-60's and more. They do not want to do 30 mph..but certainly 20-22. As I said before I have been given / acquired, well over 20 , probably more, e-bikes over the past few years,, all bought and then left to rot as they did not live up to expectations. The requests have either been to fix and sell them or de restrict them so they did a little bit more.


You mention politicians and law makers and what they think...out of touch with the likes and needs of a proportion of the population again.

I'd never want to advocate lots of 14 year old kids riding Stealth bombers..that way would lead to carnage..but older mature adults commuting on e-bikes capable of a 'little bit more' that a normal pedal cyclist..maybe up to as much an average club lycra cyclist, would get a lot more people on to e-bikes and out of their cars.


Maybe if the law was ever changed there could be a class of e-bike..with some sort of plate on the back..not an official government plate..but to a government standard...run by ???that could identify e-bikes..and a speed limit for th use of an e-bike..like the use of cars have. So 25 or so on the roads road..20 on cycle tracks etc. Age limited to 21 years old and above Just an idea...after all, we can have cars capable of 200 mph with unlimited power..but still have to drive them at 70mph...or 40 mph where I live in Jersey..just a thought.

More freedom BUT with much more draconian penalties. Cause an accident due to speed..bik taken and destroyed..massive fine etc.. No idea.. just random idea ..any way off to work got to go to oxford and then southampton

I won't answer every point, since that would simply be repeating what I've already posted. But two points:

The circa 20 mph general cycling speed is unique to Britain in the EU, for the recent sport riding bias that I mentioned. Throughout the rest of the EU the speeds are far slower, illustrating that the EU politicians are not out of touch but very much in touch with the great majority.

You are asking for a different class of vehicle to fit a need you perceive exists. Fair enough, but that has nothing to do with pedelecs which assisted bicycles for utility use, it's a separate issue which you can pursue though the normal channels.

Basically you are asking for the S class here in the UK, which the DfT are opposed to. It exists in two EU countries with a third to follow shortly. By all means argue for it, but it isn't necessary to ask for all pedelecs to be turned into the S class, nor is it realistic. It wouldn't be popular anyway, since it would mean registration and no use of cyclepaths or shared paths.

In this connection you might find it relevant that S class sales are a tiny proportion of e-bike sales in Germany, they overwhelmingly prefer normal pedelecs.
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[Fordulike]

I am no lycra...never have been, and 18-20 mph is crating my typical on the flat road speed..no particularly fit either..14 ½ stone, and not that tall..chunky rather than lean talent fit..and I can happily pedal around at those sort of speeds...
I am merely reporting what so so many past e-bike owners have said to me, when they gave up their e-bikes. They spend a load of cash and it gives them no real benefit over a normal bike..they can't go any faster...

I fully understand the frustration e-bikers face when their £1000+ bike doesn't appear to give them any benefit over a non electric bike.

Where legally restricted electric bikes come into their own, is on the trails and forest paths. Rarely does one need to go faster than 15mph in these conditions, but the huge amount of torque offered, really makes a big difference to the fun factor.

Crank drives especially excel at this, and I dare you to give a Haibike a try through a demanding forest and not want to purchase it at the end.

 

[turbo911]

i have a stealth bomber i also have the new bultaco brinco and a haibike all mountain pro and a cube stereo hybrid, and altho i don't go out riding to just break the law or p..s people off i go out for my own enjoyment and the stealth is in a different world to the normal pedal assist ebike, these bikes have serious power and need to be used when and where, the guy in the video is just out there enjoying himself and has loads of videos on youtube
and hes a pretty aware kind of guy and yes they really are £10k plus !!!

 

[Kudoscycles]

Is it because they did not understand or were just concerned with safety rather than the letter of the law..?? at that time he appeared to be safe..if a bit fast..so they left him alone..we will never know..but probably as you say ignorant of the real law.

I'd not want a 'law to dodge the law' just a change to make e-bikes as usable different means of transport.





I am no lycra...never have been, and 18-20 mph is crating my typical on the flat road speed..no particularly fit either..14 ½ stone, and not that tall..chunky rather than lean talent fit..and I can happily pedal around at those sort of speeds...
I am merely reporting what so so many past e-bike owners have said to me, when they gave up their e-bikes. They spend a load of cash and it gives them no real benefit over a normal bike..they can't go any faster...which is what most of them want..and I am not talking 20-30 year olds..I am talk gin about people in their 50-60's and more. They do not want to do 30 mph..but certainly 20-22. As I said before I have been given / acquired, well over 20 , probably more, e-bikes over the past few years,, all bought and then left to rot as they did not live up to expectations. The requests have either been to fix and sell them or de restrict them so they did a little bit more.


You mention politicians and law makers and what they think...out of touch with the likes and needs of a proportion of the population again.

I'd never want to advocate lots of 14 year old kids riding Stealth bombers..that way would lead to carnage..but older mature adults commuting on e-bikes capable of a 'little bit more' that a normal pedal cyclist..maybe up to as much an average club lycra cyclist, would get a lot more people on to e-bikes and out of their cars.


Maybe if the law was ever changed there could be a class of e-bike..with some sort of plate on the back..not an official government plate..but to a government standard...run by ???that could identify e-bikes..and a speed limit for th use of an e-bike..like the use of cars have. So 25 or so on the roads road..20 on cycle tracks etc. Age limited to 21 years old and above Just an idea...after all, we can have cars capable of 200 mph with unlimited power..but still have to drive them at 70mph...or 40 mph where I live in Jersey..just a thought.

More freedom BUT with much more draconian penalties. Cause an accident due to speed..bik taken and destroyed..massive fine etc.. No idea.. just random idea ..any way off to work got to go to oxford and then southampton

I have sold close to 3000 e-bikes now,it is rare that customers buy e-bikes to go fast,they want to ride a bicycle just like any other bicycle but they need help to get up hills or ride a distance that age or lack of fitness no longer allows them to. I just don't see the ride it and unhappy with it scenario,far from it,my customers often say that the pedelec has transformed their lives and would be lost without the bike.
Normal bikes are often bought and when the first test comes,they get home knackered and frustrated,put it in the shed and there it stays.
There are customers who use the bike for daily commutes,they get frustrated about the cutoff speed not so much the power,they find a way round the speed limit and are then very pleased with the e-bike and wouldn't change it for anything.
The only people who seem frustrated by the power limits are frustrated motorbike owners,not sure why they bought an e-bike in the first place,they get bored with it very quickly,but they are very much the minority,the numbers of almost no consequence.
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

i have a stealth bomber i also have the new bultaco brinco and a haibike all mountain pro and a cube stereo hybrid, and altho i don't go out riding to just break the law or p..s people off i go out for my own enjoyment and the stealth is in a different world to the normal pedal assist ebike, these bikes have serious power and need to be used when and where, the guy in the video is just out there enjoying himself and has loads of videos on youtube
and hes a pretty aware kind of guy and yes they really are £10k plus !!!

Out of interest ,if speed is so important,why not ride the KTM Freeride-E...they have lots of kW,are seriously fast,ridden by that American stunt ride(Ronnie Renner)who is very skilled,there are some amazing videos.
I thought the KTM cost about £7k,why is the Stealth so expensive?
Both the Stealth and KTM Freeride are surely electric motorbikes,I don't see how the Stealth can be considered a pedelec. Their use sort of reminds me of the 2-stroke trial bike riding that I enjoyed as a teenager,still got the scars to prove it,but they are not bicycles.
KudosDave

 

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off road fun dont need a motor to go fast

 

[turbo911]

Out of interest ,if speed is so important,why not ride the KTM Freeride-E...they have lots of kW,are seriously fast,ridden by that American stunt ride(Ronnie Renner)who is very skilled,there are some amazing videos.
I thought the KTM cost about £7k,why is the Stealth so expensive?
Both the Stealth and KTM Freeride are surely electric motorbikes,I don't see how the Stealth can be considered a pedelec. Their use sort of reminds me of the 2-stroke trial bike riding that I enjoyed as a teenager,still got the scars to prove it,but they are not bicycles.
KudosDave

Oh yes they are they are the same as a peddlec except they have a throttle so why wouldn't you class them as a peddlec ?? the stealth is expensive and overpriced imo, build quality is excellent and you get lifetime warranty

 

[nemesis]

is that lifetime warranty on everything including hub motor,battery and controller?

 

[Fordulike]

the guy in the video is just out there enjoying himself and has loads of videos on youtube
and hes a pretty aware kind of guy and yes they really are £10k plus !!!

Obviously not aware enough to know that excessive speed + damp road = kiss the tarmac.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=30&v=4kYu0NkBiTY

 

[Kudoscycles]

Oh yes they are they are the same as a peddlec except they have a throttle so why wouldn't you class them as a peddlec ?? the stealth is expensive and overpriced imo, build quality is excellent and you get lifetime warranty

If they are pedelecs then what is an electric motorbike? In the UK they are classed as motorbikes,require type approval and tax,insurance,helmet etc.
Perhaps you could persuade Russel to start a separate section entitled ' electric motorbikes'... I think they are fun machines,in Ronnie Renner's capable hands amazing,note he always wears a helmet,but they are not bicycles....a pedelec has to have 250 watts power maximum,from memory the KTM Freeride-E has 4 kW,what is the power of the stealth?
KudosDave

 

[Kudoscycles]

Obviously not aware enough to know that excessive speed + damp road = kiss the tarmac.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=30&v=4kYu0NkBiTY

Not exactly a Ronnie Renner is he? Back to the nursery methinks!

 

[turbo911]

for gods sake give the guy a break!! he slid of his bike on wet tarmac no one else ever fell or slid off there bike unreal!!, the stealth has 5.2kw of power and tops out at about 50-55mph, a electric motor bike has a throttle and no pedals to assist the power the stealth does so it is a pedal assist pedlec regardless of power i,m struggling to understand what the issue is here, if the guy was posting videos of himself terrorising wildlife or the general public or just being a pain in the arse i could understand the cold feelings towards him but he's not he's just got a powerful ebike and he's enjoying himself, the debate on wether these bikes are bike/pedlecs will go on no doubt,

 

[flecc]

the stealth does so it is a pedal assist pedlec regardless of power i,m struggling to understand what the issue is here

I don't know why you are struggling to understand. For use anywhere on UK roads or in any other place the public has access to, a pedelec is limited to a 250 watts rating. Anything above that is classified as a moped or motorcycle, regardless of whether it has pedals or not.

Underlining this is that a moped or motorcycle licence is need to ride an over 250 watt one legally. The licence is needed because the machine is either a moped or a motorcycle.

Pedelecs do not have a driving licence group.
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[turbo911]

ohh i see i had missed the point !! they are pedlecs end of !!! just illegal ones which you guys don't approve of thats your decision and mine is mine just like the british speed limit is max 70mph on our roads only just about every car sold in this country is capable of lots more.... next you will be saying you have never broken the speed limit no doubt