Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Bones need impact to offset osteoporosis.

I don't think that is necessarily true, and as I showed in this post, the Dutch are clearly defying that, as are the many German cyclists.

What extended stays in the zero gravity of space has shown us is that the joints and bones need gravitational pressure and muscular pressure. Given non impact exercise while in those circumstances they remain healthy.

I can point to my own case. I've cycled much of my life and as my many posts on the subject show, always in the sensible traditional fashion of long ago, far slower than most in Britain in recent decades. I've never cycled off road/emtb etc. Apart from some very rare sports field running in earlier school days, I've never run and certainly have never jogged, but I have done extensive very low impact leisure walking.

Now as I'm about to enter my eighty-seventh year, I thankfully have no arthritis and no damaged joints, just the usual shrinking in height we all have in our last decade or so as we replace less and less of our cells each year.
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[Zlatan]

I don't think that is necessarily true, and as I showed in this post, the Dutch are clearly defying that, as are the many German cyclists.

What extended stays in the zero gravity of space has shown us is that the joints and bones need gravitational pressure and muscular pressure. Given non impact exercise while in those circumstances they remain healthy.

I can point to my own case. I've cycled much of my life and as my many posts on the subject show, always in the sensible traditional fashion of long ago, far slower than most in Britain in recent decades. I've never cycled off road/emtb etc. Apart from some very rare sports field running in earlier school days, I've never run and certainly have never jogged, but I have done extensive very low impact leisure walking.

Now as I'm about to enter my eighty-seventh year, I thankfully have no arthritis and no damaged joints, just the usual shrinking in height we all have in our last decade or so as we replace less and less of our cells each year.
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Could be Flecc, I suspect old adage of "use it, or lose it" to be guide. (but don't abuse it)
Going back years I do recall general concensus in medical profession was shock did increase bone density. They used to offer some bloke who had karate chopped bricks and stuff for years, bones in his hand were ridiculously dense/hard, but was that produced or given.. Who knows.

Short-term effects of extracorporeal shock wave therapy on bone mineral density in postmenopausal osteoporotic patients - PubMed

This study showed that ESWT could efficiently improve the local BMD; relatively, the high dosage was effective.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[Danidl]

I don't think that is necessarily true, and as I showed in this post, the Dutch are clearly defying that, as are the many German cyclists.

What extended stays in the zero gravity of space has shown us is that the joints and bones need gravitational pressure and muscular pressure. Given non impact exercise while in those circumstances they remain healthy.

I can point to my own case. I've cycled much of my life and as my many posts on the subject show, always in the sensible traditional fashion of long ago, far slower than most in Britain in recent decades. I've never cycled off road/emtb etc. Apart from some very rare sports field running in earlier school days, I've never run and certainly have never jogged, but I have done extensive very low impact leisure walking.

Now as I'm about to enter my eighty-seventh year, I thankfully have no arthritis and no damaged joints, just the usual shrinking in height we all have in our last decade or so as we replace less and less of our cells each year.
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The old roman "Omnia Res in moderatio" .. still applies. . Human beings are designed for endurance not strength and not speed. We were not designed to take marathon running on a daily basis.the joints are not up to that. And most especially on hard paved roads. We are not designed for kneeling for extended periods ... Bones of people using Querns proves that also. ,We are not designed to be sitting for long periods ..the spinal posture shows that .. We are designed or evolved as general purpose machines ..a bit of this a bit of that...

 

[flecc]

I suspect old adage of "use it, or lose it" to be guide. (but don't abuse it)

I very much agree with that. I've always been suspicious of any medical consensus since they change so often. If I were to listen to many in here following the medics I'd think I was doing all manner of things wrong,

Take dairy for example which so many say is some sort of evil. My whole life I've only ever used full cream milk and regularly bought double cream in addition. I use butter, never buying any of the artificial spreads, and also regularly eat cheese. My age I've already stated, I've never at any time been overweight and my current BMI is precisely 24.2.

Not bad for someone getting things so wrong according to so many.
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[Zlatan]

The old roman "Omnia Res in moderatio" .. still applies. . Human beings are designed for endurance not strength and not speed. We were not designed to take marathon running on a daily basis.the joints are not up to that. And most especially on hard paved roads. We are not designed for kneeling for extended periods ... Bones of people using Querns proves that also. ,We are not designed to be sitting for long periods ..the spinal posture shows that .. We are designed or evolved as general purpose machines ..a bit of this a bit of that...

And designed for a certain lifespan, beyond which there are bound to be problems.
My arthritis developed in right knee as a result of severe injury/operation,but years of over use playing Rugby, windsurfing, skiing now mean left knee is problematic, but I wouldn't swap for a more sedate/careful lifestyle. Its been fun, with care and hope should get more.Just have to manage it all now.
If your football boots aren't worn out after a couple of seasons you didn't play much.
Flecc. Don't like BMI.
My BMI is 29.It was 28 when I played Rugby for Doncaster 40 years ago. Nobody on our PE course had "healthy" BMI. All good athletes in their own field though.
If I got my BMI to health advice number I, d be as weak as a kitten.
We should look at subscapular fat thickness or body fat percentage. BMI is just an easy way of getting a guide, favouring skinny people. (Ectomorphs) It's a misleading guide for most of us.
Look at BMI of boxers who are probably fittest of any sport.
And NHS etc recommend certain BMI values as a means to promote longevity, which doesn't necessarily mean strongest /fittest outcomes for individuals. Yes, I would probably have a higher life expectancy with a BMI of 24 but would I actually be as strong/fit and enjoy life as much?? Doubtful. I want to be as active as possible, which for me means hovering around 102 kg... We are all different, afraid BMI lumps us all together.

 

[flecc]

We should look at subscapular fat thickness or body fat percentage. BMI is just an easy way of getting a guide, favouring skinny people. (Ectomorphs) It's a misleading guide for most of us.

Agreed, BMI recommendations suit me but certainly not all. Across all, below 30 is ok.

And saying over 30 is obese isn't true for many. For many it's just being a bit fat.
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[flecc]

And designed for a certain lifespan, beyond which there are bound to be problems.

A lifespan which for almost all of the 4.5 million years of our bipedal evolution has been a maximum of 35 years. Even now we still start dying before we reach 30.

Those two statements often shock people when I state them, but they are well known and understood. Lifespans like mine are due to our abundance of food, clothing, enclosed homes and temperature control, modern medicine and minimised hardship.

So entirely artificial, and if we dont do something about global warming we'll be back to living for under 35 years, if we are lucky.
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[Zlatan]

A lifespan which for almost all of the 4.5 million years of our bipedal evolution has been a maximum of 35 years. Even now we still start dying before we reach 30.

Those two statements often shock people when I state them, but they are well known and understood. Lifespans like mine are due to our abundance of food, clothing, enclosed homes and temperature control, modern medicine and minimised hardship.

So entirely artificial, and if we dont do something about global warming we'll be back to living for under 35 years, if we are lucky.
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Yep, exactly. Our bodies developed to our current form chasing and being chased for survival. They (we) are incredible machines and in some areas humans are absolute pinnacle of development. At our best, we could chase down anything, and over extreme distances not much can compete. Then take into account our incredible brain and its easy to see why we became top predator. Nothing was safe from us, including ourselves, which is about where we are now. Russia anf Nato trying to be top predator. There can only be one though.

 

[flecc]

At our best, we could chase down anything, and over extreme distances not much can compete. Then take into account our incredible brain and its easy to see why we became top predator.

But that brain is also our downfall.

Until our bipedal ancestors reached Homo sapiens they were doing just fine.

But with Homo sapiens that brain has given us the ability to lose the amazing athleticism and instead sit on our backsides creating ever more successful ways to destroy the planet, ourselves and all other biological life.

If only we'd stopped at Homo erectus.
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[Woosh]

But with Homo sapiens that brain has given us the ability to lose the amazing athleticism and instead sit on our backsides creating ever more successful ways to destroy the planet, ourselves and all other biological life.

there is a theory that suggests that we follow the normal sequence of all civilisations, all destined to destroy their home planets and die out.
That is also one likely reason why we could not contact any extra terrestrial intelligent lifeforms.

 

[Zlatan]

But that brain is also our downfall.

Until our bipedal ancestors reached Homo sapiens they were doing just fine.

But with Homo sapiens that brain has given us the ability to lose the amazing athleticism and instead sit on our backsides creating ever more successful ways to destroy the planet, ourselves and all other biological life.

And eat McDonalds.

 

[flecc]

there is a theory that suggests that we follow the normal sequence of all civilisations, all destined to destroy their home planets and die out.

At least in the meantime Jeremy Hunt has made me better off again.

What he's done, combined with the better rates available resulting from his predecessor's inflation mean my annual gross income over expenditure surplus will have risen from £5500 to £7000 for next year.

The cost of living increases don't hit me hard. I have all the capital goods I need and the rest of the rises mainly hit food, which I need at far lower quantities than most, due to my age.
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[Woosh]

At least in the meantime Jeremy Hunt has made me better off again.

agreed.
Rachel Reeves managed a few good jokes in her reply but could not come up with any substantially better idea.

quote:

The Chancellor and Prime Minister are trying to convince us that the problems Britain faces are nothing to do with them.
That the mini-budget, which imposed a Tory mortgage penalty, put pensions in peril, and trashed our reputation around the world, was all just a bad dream.
It’s their ‘Bobby Ewing’ strategy. Downing Street as Dallas, old cast members return as if nothing has happened, with tangled plot lines to try and keep the audience.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

"Mistakes were made. We have learned" - Eton and Oxford? I'm sick of know-nothing-bozos, particularly if they're leading the country.

And here we have the biggest example of this, after just enough time for tory short sellers to destroy the economy rejoining the eu is back on the agenda

Rishi Sunak protecting super-rich from paying fair share of tax, says Labour – as it happened

Keir Starmer says super-rich ‘are not paying their taxes in this country’

www.theguardian.com

"Unfetered trade" of course means free movement of more than goods, also labour, people in service based economies, ergo rejoining in all but name

 

[Woosh]

BBCQT went to Snape yesterday, a villSuffolk where remainers seem to be more numerous than brexiters. 5 minutes in, nearly all the audience clapped at a member of the audience asked why don't we rejoin the single market and customs union.
Virtually nobody now believes 'there is no downside to brexit'.

 

[jonathan.agnew]

BBCQT went to Snape yesterday, a villSuffolk where remainers seem to be more numerous than brexiters. 5 minutes in, nearly all the audience clapped at a member of the audience asked why don't we rejoin the single market and customs union.
Virtually nobody now believes 'there is no downside to brexit'.

And the collapsed pound will make accepting the euro as our new currency more palatable to the red wall. Those fantasies of a next british empire having been hedged into oblivion..

 

[flecc]

BBCQT went to Snape yesterday, a villSuffolk where remainers seem to be more numerous than brexiters. 5 minutes in, nearly all the audience clapped at a member of the audience asked why don't we rejoin the single market and customs union.
Virtually nobody now believes 'there is no downside to brexit'.

Indeed, the truth sinks in best when it hits in the pocket.
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[guerney]

And here we have the biggest example of this, after just enough time for tory short sellers to destroy the economy rejoining the eu is back on the agenda

Rishi Sunak protecting super-rich from paying fair share of tax, says Labour – as it happened

Keir Starmer says super-rich ‘are not paying their taxes in this country’

www.theguardian.com

"Unfetered trade" of course means free movement of more than goods, also labour, people in service based economies, ergo rejoining in all but name

For the first mile I ambled daydreaming, then suddenly realised I could be slow jogging slower than I was ambling... hence only 1 mile was slow jogged today

I disagree profoundly that the status quo should be encouraged or supported, through the apeasement of credit agencies intent on providing stability to a global system based on invented value of meaningless tokens of exchange, designed to make the rich ever richer... and the peasants have no accessible targets to storm with pitchforks and torches anymore - properly taxing the super rich will take international co-ordination, which clearly will never happen while every country, rich or poor competes to host these continent shifting parasites. No I don't care about our pensions, we'll be gone soon.

 

[guerney]

My emtb ing is anything but extreme. Gravel paths, wood land tracks and nice wide (dual use) national forest tracks.
I have found emtb gives a much wider workout than mtb. With legs getting the electric help rides are longer /faster with arms, shoulders etc getting more exercise.
I also enjoy it which in itself is beneficial. Always found jogging (when I could) a chore.
Just had my second heart ablation so resting up for 10 days or so, but will be hitting Lady Bower ASAP.Hopefully with a bit more energy.
I, ve actually hot a regular pulse now, first time in 8 years.

More and more of my clients have heart problems: a freaking epidemic. However, it's all interesting stuff - was your irregular heartbeat due to a narrowed (now ablated) artery? In that case, what was the burning of nerves in aid of?

 

[guerney]

They used to offer some bloke who had karate chopped bricks and stuff for years, bones in his hand were ridiculously dense/hard, but was that produced or given.. Who knows.

Press-ups on the knuckles is a regular daily drill. Sometimes several times a day. That and pummelling sacks of rice.