The centre ground became the only viable option because successive conservative governments have bankrupted the state through corruption, mis-spending, brexit. Where zlatan is correct is that that has always been the crux of tory policy, alternating episodes of plunder, corruption with getting the workers in the economy to bear the brunt of the damage, to try to repair the hole left by what they've stuffed offshore. It was the primary motive behind brexit. Were essentially being asset stripped, destroyed as a country by a fundamentally corrupt conservative movement with too limited a mentality to care about thefact that it's doing this. I cannot see that changing, or that what labour is or isnt will stop it. It will probably only stop once the pound has devalued enough to make our GDP comparatively worthless, to make us not worth asset strippingI have seen Labour under Michael Foot, Neil Kinnock, John Smith, then Tony Blair breaking the cycle, Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband, Jeremy Corbyn and now Keir Starmer. Each time, I said to myself, that this Labour team is still too far left, it cannot win without occupying the centre. Even now with Kier Starmer. Rachel Reeve has no better strategy than Sunak and Hunt. It's not that I agree with zlatan that there is no alternative to the conservatives, I simply think that the conservatives will lose the next election.