Brexit, for once some facts.
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More Royalists are needed. Here is the latest recruitment initiative
Managed to increase the gap between cheapest and most expensive unleaded petrol - dramatically.
195.9 down to 150.9
Is someone extracting urine?
195.9 down to 150.9
Is someone extracting urine?
It isn't the price as such, but the enormous difference between top and bottom prices! 45p a litre difference depending on forecourt. Close to a third more at one than another.
Well that's not quite the differential for charging... You can charge your vehicle for as little at 7p per kwh (Octopus, variable tariff, night rate) or if you want better performance chose a BP forecourt near London and pay 58 p per kwh.. Apparently the service area stuff makes car run smoother..(no scientific evidence about this but price differential true as of yesterday)
Instavolt ultra rapid chargers are now at 66p per kWh, but with them no membership fee or deposit held, just contactless card.
Of course these prices are not for the electricity, they are to pay for the installations and rentals during the current rapid expansion of charge point numbers, particularly the expensive to install fastest ones:
But it could be self defeating. I can see why musk made tesla chargers free for early models to promote adoption. If I were driving an economic ice runabout now the realisation that an ev may soon cost more per mile in energy cost would be a final straw in stopping me from spending circa £30k to get one
Why some electric cars could soon be more costly to run than petrol motors
Charging electric vehicles will soon become more expensive amid soaring energy prices
My agreement is with reservations, since I think most of the charging companies are going to come unstuck anyway.But it could be self defeating. I can see why musk made tesla chargers free for early models to promote adoption. If I were driving an economic ice runabout now the realisation that an ev may soon cost more per mile in energy cost would be a final straw in stopping me from spending circa £30k to get one
Why some electric cars could soon be more costly to run than petrol motors
Charging electric vehicles will soon become more expensive amid soaring energy priceswww.telegraph.co.uk
Half of all households in this not very large country can have a home fast charger and they are largely who will be buying e-cars for many years. With ranges of over 200 to 350 miles now common on today's e-cars and leaving home cheaply fully charged, that doesn't leave much business for all these expensive to use remote chargers.
Nor does the average annual mileage of our car owners, 7300 per annum, that's just 20 miles per day.
Already the earlier charging companies have been merging or being taken over as the strain is felt, with even the largest, Chargemaster, being taken over by BP.
It's a business where there'll be far more tears than smiles in the end.
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Yes - that I understand. But I can't make my own petrol.
The stupidity of this massive differential is that people like me, who are aware, might end up doing extra miles in order to save pounds. It is financially worth driving quite a number of miles to pay about £15 less on a fill up. But from a "green" and societal view, it is madness.
Right now, the four closest forecourts are all 15p a litre more than I paid yesterday. So I can travel in the region of 30 miles (round trip) and still just about save. With 45p difference that goes up towards 100 miles.
Well of course, but unless there are distributed charging points, range anxiety will stop people buying EVs. I can see why the big operations like BP might subsidise or purchase ailing operators. Actually ,now you mention it, the service station at the Mont St Michel service area "aire de repos" in Normandy is a BP operation and I noted a row of about 6 or 8 chargers in a cleared area.. they were not there 3 years ago. People like BP are installing PV farms
I agree. But if truss gave a damn about our collective wellbeing subsidising public ev chargers (with some of that 150 billion of the taxpayer she is so happy to throw at big energy) would be a great way to liberate us from imported oil, moreso if our electricity generation move away from gas.
This is a tangent, but linked - although, definitely not green (even less green than driving around). Spoke to a friend of a friend the weekend who's restaurant's quoted energy bill went from £16k to £60k/annum. Can't help wondering how much electricity one could self generate for £5k/month? Can think of 5kva yacht gensets that could run 24/7 for much lessYes - that I understand. But I can't make my own petrol.
The stupidity of this massive differential is that people like me, who are aware, might end up doing extra miles in order to save pounds. It is financially worth driving quite a number of miles to pay about £15 less on a fill up. But from a "green" and societal view, it is madness.
Right now, the four closest forecourts are all 15p a litre more than I paid yesterday. So I can travel in the region of 30 miles (round trip) and still just about save. With 45p difference that goes up towards 100 miles.
A friend of mine makes his own biodiesel from used chip shop fat - it smells of fish and chips wherever his van has been. No I don't know the recipe of either. He was laughing while saving a fortune before, he's intolerably jolly now. When it isn't free, chippies pay him to take it away, because Councils and water companies sue when they encounter fatbergs in sewers under their establishments.Yes - that I understand. But I can't make my own petrol.
There will be even more of the horny onesMore Royalists are needed. Here is the latest recruitment initiative
Yup the queen I think was a Cork in a well fermented bottle of wine. I've complete faith in Andy staggering back into the limelight in her absence and not disappointing us (or the heckler)
Man who heckled Prince Andrew charged with breach of the peace
A man was filmed shouting ‘Andrew, you’re a sick old man,’ as the Queen's casket moved down the Royal Mile in Edinburgh yesterday.
metro.co.uk
In fairness there has been lots of subsidising going on for getting these installed, both from national and local government. In fact it's why the car purchase subsidies have been both reduced and removed, to redirect the money this way.
What's most needed though is for the price per kWh of public rapid chargers to be subsidised, but I fear the cost of that would be far to great, especially in our present financial state.
Given that state, we really shouldn't be importing e-cars at all, we should all be practicing going without for a long time.
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. Since when have they all had a social conscience for helping our government?They've all just spotted what they think is the next chance to earn big bucks, but this time they've all got it very wrong. Especially now interest rates are heading north for some while.
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I'm not sure about that - I have a strong suspicion Charles will make certain Corgi poo pickup supervision remains Andrew's sole Royal duty.
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You can't make enough electrticity to charge your car at home either,not without a generator, which defeats the whole exercise.Yes - that I understand. But I can't make my own petrol.
The stupidity of this massive differential is that people like me, who are aware, might end up doing extra miles in order to save pounds. It is financially worth driving quite a number of miles to pay about £15 less on a fill up. But from a "green" and societal view, it is madness.
Right now, the four closest forecourts are all 15p a litre more than I paid yesterday. So I can travel in the region of 30 miles (round trip) and still just about save. With 45p difference that goes up towards 100 miles.
I was quoted on a 3.6kw PV system giving on average 6 kwh per day. With minimum of 50kwh battery in your car, no production at night, when car is parked.. And used when your system might top up 10%or so, makes off grid charging totally unviable for 95% of us in UK.
Would be more viable going round your chip shops and collecting used frying oil to make green diesel with.
Home "none grid "charging of electric cars is a none starter. The maths, logistics and costs don't add up. You might manage a Twizzy but that isn't a car. It's an electric pram.