Brexit, for once some facts.

[flecc]

Anyone see Hannah Fry and Unvaccinated the other day?

I avoided it, knowing what it would be like. However I'm getting very annoyed at the deliberate playing down of those who have refused the vaccines, like that program saying it is 4 million Britons.

In fact just over 6 million in England alone have not received both the first and second jabs (effectively one treatment), that is from the government's own figures. The first and second jab programs are effectively complete, the number barely changing now week by week, so effectively the 6 million are refuseniks.

15 million in England have not had the first booster yet, so there will be an even larger number of refuseniks there.
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[flecc]

The Madhouse economics of the UK.

I will shortly be paying £263.70 income tax TO the government.

I have just received the £150 government grant via council tax.

In November I will be receiving the double Winter Fuel Allowance of £600 from the government.

From about then I will be receiving via the fuel company over six months a further £400 from the government to help with energy costs.

Wouldn't it have been far simpler to just reduce the cost of living at source?
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[Woosh]

Wouldn't it have been far simpler to just reduce the cost of living at source?

how would you like our government respond to energy companies driving up inflation? France deals with it by nationalising EDF earlier this week. This task is easy because the state owns already 87%. EDF caps electricity price.
Would you like the UK nationalising electricity and gas distribution companies?

 

[flecc]

Would you like the UK nationalising electricity and gas distribution companies?

Emphatically yes.

Water too.
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[GLJoe]

Anyone see Hannah Fry and Unvaccinated the other day?

...the anti-vaxxers were aggressive, seemed to care more about being angry than right, and in some regards utterly stupid.

And that will all have been planned and then carefully edited as part of the program's agenda.
Do you really think the producers would have picked calm, highly educated and/or articulate people with a working knowledge of any dangers, to represent the unvaccinated? No chance.

And I'm saying that without even seeing the program!
But I will make a point of watching it on catchup over the weekend. I'll be quite happy to admit it if it turns out I'm wrong, but I would bet a large sum of money the program will be biased, one sided, and won't give accurate facts or statistics that warns of any dangers.

 

[oyster]

And that will all have been planned and then carefully edited as part of the program's agenda.
Do you really think the producers would have picked calm, highly educated and/or articulate people with a working knowledge of any dangers, to represent the unvaccinated? No chance.

And I'm saying that without even seeing the program!
But I will make a point of watching it on catchup over the weekend. I'll be quite happy to admit it if it turns out I'm wrong, but I would bet a large sum of money the program will be biased, one sided, and won't give accurate facts or statistics that warns of any dangers.

Some of them came across just how I expected from having seen quite a bit of their arguments - posts, etc. There were some perfectly reasonable discussions.

 

[soundwave]

As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK. There are many diseases which can cause serious illness which are not classified as HCIDs.

public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall),

High consequence infectious diseases (HCID)

Guidance and information about high consequence infectious diseases and their management in England.

www.gov.uk

In order to protect mRNA molecules from the body’s natural defenses, drug developers must wrap them in a protective casing. For Moderna, that meant putting its Crigler-Najjar therapy in nanoparticles made of lipids. And for its chemists, those nanoparticles created a daunting challenge: Dose too little, and you don’t get enough enzyme to affect the disease; dose too much, and the drug is too toxic for patients.

Lavishly funded Moderna hits safety problems in bold bid to revolutionize medicine

Moderna Therapeutics, the most highly valued private company in biotech, has run into troubling safety problems with its most ambitious therapy, STAT found.

www.statnews.com

they wont put that on the bbc will they lmfao but these company's got there 3 billion back and some for there failed drug that has been in development since 1989.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRNA_vaccine

 

[oyster]

Hermann Hauser, founder of Arm: ‘Brexit is the biggest loss of sovereignty since 1066’

Hermann Hauser, founder of Arm: ‘Brexit is the biggest loss of sovereignty since 1066’

The doyen of the UK computing industry says that a hi-tech future will leave Britain no choice but to turn to Europe

www.theguardian.com

Tory demands for Boris' return intensify with PM already discussing his own comeback

Tory demands for Boris return grows as PM thinks he 'will be back'

CONSERVATIVE demands for Boris Johnson's incredible comeback have escalated, with claims that even the outgoing Prime Minister believes he will be back at No10 within a year.

www.express.co.uk

 

[flecc]

As of 19 March 2020, COVID-19 is no longer considered to be a high consequence infectious disease (HCID) in the UK. There are many diseases which can cause serious illness which are not classified as HCIDs.

public health bodies in the UK have reviewed the most up to date information about COVID-19 against the UK HCID criteria. They have determined that several features have now changed; in particular, more information is available about mortality rates (low overall),

The Covid vaccines have been nothing other than a huge confidence trick, earning fortunes for the pharmaceutical industry.

Just 10 weeks after they started going into arms in the UK I posted on 8th March 2021 that they were proving to be not vaccines at all, though appearing from reports to lessen the ill effects of Covid. Even that has been shown to be largely a lie, just like so much of the information we've been fed about Covid.
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[oldgroaner]

Never mind, have a smile

 

[Woosh]

The Covid vaccines have been nothing other than a huge confidence trick, earning fortunes for the pharmaceutical industry.

Just 10 weeks after they started going into arms in the UK I posted on 8th March 2021 that they were proving to be not vaccines at all, though appearing from reports to lessen the ill effects of Covid. Even that has been shown to be largely a lie, just like so much of the information we've been fed about Covid.
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that made me think of covid vaccines as homeopathy recipes.

 

[flecc]

Tory demands for Boris' return intensify with PM already discussing his own comeback

I wouldn't be surprised. I intensely dislike Johnson, but as I've made clear in previous posts, he should not have been forced into resignation by the parties and lies issues which were wholly unimportant. By all means sack him on performance grounds, but not on such inconsequential issues.

All politicians holding any office lie, it's often a necessity. And the parties when the rest of us couldnt have them were simply a perk of the job.
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[oyster]

I wouldn't be surprised. I intensely dislike Johnson, but as I've made clear in previous posts, he should not have been forced into resignation by the parties and lies issues which were wholly unimportant. By all means sack him on performance grounds, but not on such inconsequential issues.

All politicians holding any office lie, it's often a necessity. And the parties when the rest of us couldnt have them were simply a perk of the job.
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I disagree. It wasn't just that the parties happened. It was all the consequences.

 

[flecc]

I disagree. It wasn't just that the parties happened. It was all the consequences.

There were no consequences whatsoever.
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[jonathan.agnew]

I wouldn't be surprised. I intensely dislike Johnson, but as I've made clear in previous posts, he should not have been forced into resignation by the parties and lies issues which were wholly unimportant. By all means sack him on performance grounds, but not on such inconsequential issues.

All politicians holding any office lie, it's often a necessity. And the parties when the rest of us couldnt have them were simply a perk of the job.
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Do perks include owen Patterson breaking lobbying rules and Boris trying to make that the new normal?

 

[Danidl]

There were no consequences whatsoever.
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Of course there were ... He got fired!. . But going back a little .. the things he was got for were the little things and as you say inconsequential in the great scheme of things,. But they all pointed to the mans character. Now the NIP is not a little thing. And his cavalier attitude to that was and is bringing the UK into global disrepute. I don't know whether the HoL can salvage Britain's reputation..but that's their call.

 

[Danidl]

The Covid vaccines have been nothing other than a huge confidence trick, earning fortunes for the pharmaceutical industry.

Just 10 weeks after they started going into arms in the UK I posted on 8th March 2021 that they were proving to be not vaccines at all, though appearing from reports to lessen the ill effects of Covid. Even that has been shown to be largely a lie, just like so much of the information we've been fed about Covid.
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Flecc, on this topic if no other, you are simply wrong...

 

[Woosh]

There were no consequences whatsoever.

it's not what he did (food & drink). It's his attempt to avoid scrutiny (no, that did not happen, all rules were followed at all time, and I wasn't there etc) . His apologies sound insincere so the charge that he lied to parliament will probably be upheld and for that, his ministers can't continue to go on TV to repeat his excuses.
If you consider partygate in isolation, then it may seem exaggerated but remember, Kier Starmer and tory backbenchers could not get him on lying on policies alone.

 

[Danidl]

I have already said no for myself to a repeat of the current booster, since I really do not want to suffer a repeat of the 15 often painful tachycardia heart attacks the booster caused over an extended period. A side effect for those vulnerable like myself that Pfizer knew about but hushed up.
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I suspect that had you not got a vaccine and got Covid instead in the early days, we would not be having this conversation. And indeed had I got Covid before my stents, neither would I. So I for one am pleased with my 4 shots .. 3 Pfizer and one Moderna ..( the moderna being the one with the most side effects) and will be in line when the modified versions come out.
Incidentally I am now at 11 stents ...

 

[Woosh]

There were no consequences whatsoever.
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Flecc, on this topic if no other, you are simply wrong...

I view covid vaccines as partially successful and vastly oversold.
I caught covid once back in January this year from my grandchildren and it was no worse than a cold. I am pretty convinced that the 3 jabs did help preparing my body.